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Even if they were, most game companies don't break out revenue via game and instead report it in aggregate. There is some numbers from public tax filings and I looked into it, but all I could see is that it spiked during the pandemic and was up from that for 2022 and 2023. No data from 2024 or higher.

Also, player count can go down and revenue can go up. I've certainly seen that before, too.

You have a link to the report? I'd be curious to look at it even if they don't break down by game.

I can't say i've ever seen a game go down in players and go up in revenue im not saying it can't happen.
there are ways to squeeze more money out of fewer players (hiking prices, new items to buy, opening servers to illicit ambrosia use)
But that only gets you so far and that sort of thing is what has gotten us to the mass alt situation when the servers have to be merged down.

And while the whales pay for the game there aren't enough of them to keep the game running from an enjoyment angle if most of the other players have left.

They might pickup a few genuine new players here and there but most new accounts are going to be duplicates for existing players at this point.

There is no renascence or wave of new players coming, the base is mostly already set and will only trend down even if accounts trend up.

Hmm, I’ve read a few of these, I can’t cross reference points because I’m on different device.

First, I love bombing. I see complaints. I agree with Barbarossa, the best fleet is none. My last operation I had only large land armies built for offline attacks, small ports and only 1 mediocre fleet only to penetrate an island. This update changes, my army could get cleaned out overnight now. There are counters, I’m simply pointing out this update creates alot of problems for me

second, your language makes it sound like I’m bullying farms and mad I can’t. I have only fought tyrants, i have not attacked anyone that I believe can’t fight back. I get nothing from that. I’m simply saying if a top player decides to go hostile on the server which you see a lot, it’s gg well played. I’m not sure why you would want a gap between big and small, it just means oppression which I am AGAINST.

Quick point too. I have fought to defend my and other alliances every single time. Every single time. I am not gambling with points. Maybe it is better for me to sit back, do nothing and rack up resources. Your right

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Even if they were, most game companies don't break out revenue via game and instead report it in aggregate. There is some numbers from public tax filings and I looked into it, but all I could see is that it spiked during the pandemic and was up from that for 2022 and 2023. No data from 2024 or higher.

Also, player count can go down and revenue can go up. I've certainly seen that before, too.

You have a link to the report? I'd be curious to look at it even if they don't break down by game.

I can't say i've ever seen a game go down in players and go up in revenue im not saying it can't happen.
there are ways to squeeze more money out of fewer players (hiking prices, new items to buy, opening servers to illicit ambrosia use)
But that only gets you so far and that sort of thing is what has gotten us to the mass alt situation when the servers have to be merged down.

And while the whales pay for the game there aren't enough of them to keep the game running from an enjoyment angle if most of the other players have left.

They might pickup a few genuine new players here and there but most new accounts are going to be duplicates for existing players at this point.

There is no renascence or wave of new players coming, the base is mostly already set and will only trend down even if accounts trend up.

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Here's the detailed breakdown I found a while back: https://www.northdata.com/Game…20Mannheim%20HRB%20701268

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Hmm, I’ve read a few of these, I can’t cross reference points because I’m on different device.

First, I love bombing. I see complaints. I agree with Barbarossa, the best fleet is none. My last operation I had only large land armies built for offline attacks, small ports and only 1 mediocre fleet only to penetrate an island. This update changes, my army could get cleaned out overnight now. There are counters, I’m simply pointing out this update creates alot of problems for me

second, your language makes it sound like I’m bullying farms and mad I can’t. I have only fought tyrants, i have not attacked anyone that I believe can’t fight back. I get nothing from that. I’m simply saying if a top player decides to go hostile on the server which you see a lot, it’s gg well played. I’m not sure why you would want a gap between big and small, it just means oppression which I am AGAINST.

Quick point too. I have fought to defend my and other alliances every single time. Every single time. I am not gambling with points. Maybe it is better for me to sit back, do nothing and rack up resources. Your right

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To your second point, no, it isn't. Yes, he had an advantage, but the advantage isn't insurmountable, either. Any war in Ikariam is a war of attrition as you can only win by burning the other side out of resources. Whether that's from multiple people attacking one person, etc.

Even with upgrades, the stronger player will simply have fewer losses, but the amount they'd spend to get those upgrades would likely mean more raw troops so there is a cost/benefit to it.

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Hmm, I’ve read a few of these, I can’t cross reference points because I’m on different device.

First, I love bombing. I see complaints. I agree with Barbarossa, the best fleet is none. My last operation I had only large land armies built for offline attacks, small ports and only 1 mediocre fleet only to penetrate an island. This update changes, my army could get cleaned out overnight now. There are counters, I’m simply pointing out this update creates alot of problems for me

second, your language makes it sound like I’m bullying farms and mad I can’t. I have only fought tyrants, i have not attacked anyone that I believe can’t fight back. I get nothing from that. I’m simply saying if a top player decides to go hostile on the server which you see a lot, it’s gg well played. I’m not sure why you would want a gap between big and small, it just means oppression which I am AGAINST.

Quick point too. I have fought to defend my and other alliances every single time. Every single time. I am not gambling with points. Maybe it is better for me to sit back, do nothing and rack up resources. Your right

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I take it you mean waving? Nothing better then getting 3 good fighters together when you know your target is sleeping and banging off a couple hundred or more waves via sea and troops. I dont have to have 500,000 gens to beat 500,000 gens and my alliance is good at waveing as we fight guys with huge gen banks. That's how you deal with the bullies.

I get great enjoyment doing this.

I'm 100% with you.

Even though bombing might seem useless(now on the new update) if someone doesn't have enough upgrades, since the enemy only loses about 2 ships on the third line, it's still a part of the game that I enjoy.

There are many different tactics to use, and I don’t bomb all the time, only when there’s a reason like when someone has hundreds of military units.
And what's the problem playing at night?i have a job that allows me to do that. and i am taking 100% advantage of it

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Hmm, I’ve read a few of these, I can’t cross reference points because I’m on different device.

First, I love bombing. I see complaints. I agree with Barbarossa, the best fleet is none. My last operation I had only large land armies built for offline attacks, small ports and only 1 mediocre fleet only to penetrate an island. This update changes, my army could get cleaned out overnight now. There are counters, I’m simply pointing out this update creates alot of problems for me

second, your language makes it sound like I’m bullying farms and mad I can’t. I have only fought tyrants, i have not attacked anyone that I believe can’t fight back. I get nothing from that. I’m simply saying if a top player decides to go hostile on the server which you see a lot, it’s gg well played. I’m not sure why you would want a gap between big and small, it just means oppression which I am AGAINST.

Quick point too. I have fought to defend my and other alliances every single time. Every single time. I am not gambling with points. Maybe it is better for me to sit back, do nothing and rack up resources. Your right

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To your second point, no, it isn't. Yes, he had an advantage, but the advantage isn't insurmountable, either. Any war in Ikariam is a war of attrition as you can only win by burning the other side out of resources. Whether that's from multiple people attacking one person, etc.

Even with upgrades, the stronger player will simply have fewer losses, but the amount they'd spend to get those upgrades would likely mean more raw troops so there is a cost/benefit to it.

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Wrong. Like you are sometimes.

Easy to put huge fighters in v mode or (i) mode by sniping them and avoiding attrition battles. That's the only way most whales know how to fight is attrition battles.

They spend money to only fight attrition battles.

There's no strategy or anything, just buy a half a million gens and you just get on once a day and add troops or ships to a battle and I dont do 1000 round sea battles anymore.

It's not about burning anyone out of resources, it's about making them stay online and fighting and wasting their time.

My alliance is really good at it as we have been fighting for over 10 years.

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Hmm, I’ve read a few of these, I can’t cross reference points because I’m on different device.

First, I love bombing. I see complaints. I agree with Barbarossa, the best fleet is none. My last operation I had only large land armies built for offline attacks, small ports and only 1 mediocre fleet only to penetrate an island. This update changes, my army could get cleaned out overnight now. There are counters, I’m simply pointing out this update creates alot of problems for me

second, your language makes it sound like I’m bullying farms and mad I can’t. I have only fought tyrants, i have not attacked anyone that I believe can’t fight back. I get nothing from that. I’m simply saying if a top player decides to go hostile on the server which you see a lot, it’s gg well played. I’m not sure why you would want a gap between big and small, it just means oppression which I am AGAINST.

Quick point too. I have fought to defend my and other alliances every single time. Every single time. I am not gambling with points. Maybe it is better for me to sit back, do nothing and rack up resources. Your right

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To your second point, no, it isn't. Yes, he had an advantage, but the advantage isn't insurmountable, either. Any war in Ikariam is a war of attrition as you can only win by burning the other side out of resources. Whether that's from multiple people attacking one person, etc.

Even with upgrades, the stronger player will simply have fewer losses, but the amount they'd spend to get those upgrades would likely mean more raw troops so there is a cost/benefit to it.

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Wrong. Like you are sometimes.

Easy to put huge fighters in v mode or (i) mode by sniping them and avoiding attrition battles. That's the only way most whales know how to fight is attrition battles.

They spend money to only fight attrition battles.

There's no strategy or anything, just buy a half a million gens and you just get on once a day and add troops or ships to a battle and I dont do 1000 round sea battles anymore.

It's not about burning anyone out of resources, it's about making them stay online and fighting and wasting their time.

My alliance is really good at it as we have been fighting for over 10 years.

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A war of attrition is not a battle of attrition. Yes, a 1000 round sea battle is a battle of attrition but I don't know why anyone would do this.

If you're on the receiving end? You colossus or stop reinforcing. If you're on the attacking end, why? Snipes are more efficient.

A war of attrition is much more about a long term multi battle engagement that's designed to wear down the opponent's resources and time. There's no other way to "win" in Ikariam anyways.

Wearing someone out to the point where they stop playing is still a war of attrition play, too. You're basically burning them out until they don't want to play anymore.

I should've said resources or time, but even with a lot of upgrades, you can still grind them down.

Like I've said before, Ikariam is a combination of a test of will and patience, and the only way to "beat" your opponent is to find a way to outlast him, whether that's graveyarding, going into donation/gold mode, or sniping him.

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Hmm, I’ve read a few of these, I can’t cross reference points because I’m on different device.

First, I love bombing. I see complaints. I agree with Barbarossa, the best fleet is none. My last operation I had only large land armies built for offline attacks, small ports and only 1 mediocre fleet only to penetrate an island. This update changes, my army could get cleaned out overnight now. There are counters, I’m simply pointing out this update creates alot of problems for me

second, your language makes it sound like I’m bullying farms and mad I can’t. I have only fought tyrants, i have not attacked anyone that I believe can’t fight back. I get nothing from that. I’m simply saying if a top player decides to go hostile on the server which you see a lot, it’s gg well played. I’m not sure why you would want a gap between big and small, it just means oppression which I am AGAINST.

Quick point too. I have fought to defend my and other alliances every single time. Every single time. I am not gambling with points. Maybe it is better for me to sit back, do nothing and rack up resources. Your right

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I take it you mean waving? Nothing better then getting 3 good fighters together when you know your target is sleeping and banging off a couple hundred or more waves via sea and troops. I dont have to have 500,000 gens to beat 500,000 gens and my alliance is good at waveing as we fight guys with huge gen banks. That's how you deal with the bullies.

I get great enjoyment doing this.

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Then you should be thrilled to death you picked Perseus. Imagine if you picked an empty, boring server. What would you do then?

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A war of attrition is not a battle of attrition. Yes, a 1000 round sea battle is a battle of attrition but I don't know why anyone would do this.

If you're on the receiving end? You colossus or stop reinforcing. If you're on the attacking end, why? Snipes are more efficient.

A war of attrition is much more about a long term multi battle engagement that's designed to wear down the opponent's resources and time. There's no other way to "win" in Ikariam anyways.

Wearing someone out to the point where they stop playing is still a war of attrition play, too. You're basically burning them out until they don't want to play anymore.

I should've said resources or time, but even with a lot of upgrades, you can still grind them down.

Like I've said before, Ikariam is a combination of a test of will and patience, and the only way to "beat" your opponent is to find a way to outlast him, whether that's graveyarding, going into donation/gold mode, or sniping him.

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Ya wearing someone down is really hard if

1: the account in question was being used simply as troll, EX: wonder nuking
2: owner has multiple accounts and doesn't mind 1 or 2 of them being beat'in into gold mode

Only way a war of attrition works is if the player has 1 account or it's their main account and they're active and involved in the game enough to care.

Back in the day this was nearly everyone, these days most people have multiple accounts due to mergers and rule changes and it's much less effective.

The only way I know to get to those people is to go after something they care about besides them selves but that's not always apparent what it is, and it often is large and messy.

This is one of the reasons I advocated for having gold pillaging brought back to the regular servers with a safety net but that just ain't happening Badidol made that very clear to me.

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Here's the detailed breakdown I found a while back: https://www.northdata.com/Game…20Mannheim%20HRB%20701268

Bah, it looks like they put all the juicy stuff behind a paywall

"This publication is only available to our premium service subscribers."

Thanks for the link though.

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They can't become mathematically immune to knifeman (I'm going to assume you mean swordsman because a swordsman has a base attack of 200) attacks because you can also upgrade the attack of the swordsman, too. So yes, if you do 40 upgrades to your swordsman's armor and attack someone who has never upgraded their swordsman, you would receive 0 damage.

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If someone has 40/40 upgraded swordsmen and attacks someone who has 0/0 upgraded swordsman, I'm perfectly fine with that being a complete rout. I don't know why anyone would even be concerned about this scenario.

Knifeman is the name of the barbarian unit.

For what i know barbarians does not have ups, so if you up swordsman to +200 armour ( or +180 +20 of forge) you mathematically can farm barbarian without lose any swoardsman

Oh, barbarians. Yes, the barbarians don't get any upgrades, but you'd still need 36 to 40 armor upgrades to make that possible.

I don't see why this is a problem.

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Yes barbarians got upgraded. Right before upgrades kicked in, I (thank God) had just able to bit them 50 level in three different islands, for the achievement, and of course having won millions of res in the process (keep in mind the booty from barbarian fleet too). Always with forge, and of high walls and loots of troops always. My damage received, that is the res wasted on killed units, was always very small of a percentage of what I won.

Now, when the updates were announced, I was thrilled, because I thought, excellent, I ll upgrade, and keep milking barbarians. I upgraded battle units 10/10, some 6/6, 7/7. Put forge on, I said, yea...

I suffered huge looses, in the extend that it was not worth it. It was something like 350.000 damage, and the loot was something like 500.000. I couldn't believe my eyes. I upgraded more, and attacked again, pretty much same thing. Keep in mind that before and after the changes it was forged, and 50 level barbarians.

I am now waiting for the barbarians to get under 40 level, and attack. I will let you know of the result. If anyone fought the barbarians level 50, please share.

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That was right after the first upgrade. I have no clue what the situation is right now. Also, just now the barbarians attacked me, even if before the upgrade I had a ceasefire paid to them. Moreover, in another island in which I also had a ceasefire, now is not active (I didn't attack or anything).

Right now I can tell you that Hoplites upgraded to Level 14 kick butt against Spartans. So much so that it's not really worth fielding them.

This, of course, means it's not worth buying them.

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Right now I can tell you that Hoplites upgraded to Level 14 kick butt against Spartans. So much so that it's not really worth fielding them.

This, of course, means it's not worth buying them.

mmmm, compared to before? Yeah, yeah Spartans are worse. But I had no forge with Spartans and fella had hoplites forged around 15/15 and it was almost the same losses. Not a disaster, in terms of balance reworks they are quite a few before it. I am for Spartans getting buffed though - purely so there is something anyone can access to counter these ridiculous upgrades

Also I like to bring this up at every opportunity. They haven’t fixed the bug of disappearing units to my knowledge. I lost a filthy amount of Spartans (as well as other units) and since it was a trade and not a purchase the ‘proof’ wasn’t there to get them replaced. And even if I did purchase them on my account, it would mean relying on the ticket system to get them back. In my experience I’ve never had resolve through the ticket system in this game -or any game so slight disclaimer, at your own risk because I certainly won’t. I actually don’t hold over 200kMS incase it all disappears again. Anyways, enjoy your day

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But I had no forge with Spartans and fella had hoplites forged around 15/15 and it was almost the same losses

I should have said that the Forge was active on both sides.

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Right now I can tell you that Hoplites upgraded to Level 14 kick butt against Spartans. So much so that it's not really worth fielding them.

This, of course, means it's not worth buying them.

mmmm, compared to before? Yeah, yeah Spartans are worse. But I had no forge with Spartans and fella had hoplites forged around 15/15 and it was almost the same losses. Not a disaster, in terms of balance reworks they are quite a few before it. I am for Spartans getting buffed though - purely so there is something anyone can access to counter these ridiculous upgrades

Anyone can also actually upgrade their units.

Well as said, barbarians broke ceasefire and attacked the mine too. I drove them away, so, I now have a battle round, in order to show the effects of the upgrades. My swords are 10 attack, 12 defense. No forge on.

The conclusions are yours. All these upgrades to kill 19 barbarians swords more per round. Mind you, I don't know what the results would be, in a 50 level. This is 39 level barbarians, and just one round, because the number of the barbarians were small.

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Well as said, barbarians broke ceasefire and attacked the mine too. I drove them away, so, I now have a battle round, in order to show the effects of the upgrades. My swords are 10 attack, 12 defense. No forge on.

The conclusions are yours. All these upgrades to kill 19 barbarians swords more per round. Mind you, I don't know what the results would be, in a 50 level. This is 39 level barbarians, and just one round, because the number of the barbarians were small.

12/12 would be equivalent of 3/3 in the old system for reference.

The people making all these upgrades are the same people that have huge accounts and if you cant see that you are blind.

The devs and GO,s all play this game so thats why it is done. Soon they will all be fighting themselves hopefully.

Carrier waves do nothing now. what a waste this game has become.