Banned players should remain in a pillage-able state for a longer period of time. Currently they are active but banned for a 7 days and than inactive for 30 before being ghosted. I assume most of these banns are related to resource pushing to main accounts as there is always a large account and then several smaller ones banned at the same time. They often have many more resources than can be looted and once they are ghosted those resources are protected for when they are able to come back from their ban. The inactive period should be extended to 60 days to allow those banned players to be pillaged so they are not able to come back to the benefit of what they got banned for.
Keep banned players around longer
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I think banned Players are punished enough and 37 days are enough time to pillage all of their cities.
Some banned Players also complain about this double-punishment with the actual ban and being pillaged without any option to defend against it and while I love pillaging banned Players (doing that right now)... they kinda have a point.
So I think it is fine the way it is right now, except for that I would also love to see the pillory come back.
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I'd really love to see the pillory come back, not sure why they removed that.
If I had to guess it has to do with privacy laws.
It was removed in 2015, the GDPR happened in 2016 and went into effect in 2018, I doubt they wanted to deal with the legal hassle.
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Banned players should remain in a pillage-able state for a longer period of time.
Many players want to see them removed even faster than now to free up the place.
I'd really love to see the pillory come back, not sure why they removed that.
Because this information involves only the banned player and game administration.
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Because this information involves only the banned player and game administration.
That's imo a weird argument since this was the case when the pillory was still existing aswell, no?
Maybe some inbetween would be to have some Filter-Options for the Highscore, with banned, inactives and those who are in vacation-mode (aswell as to search for Players who are in specific alliances) etc.
But that's proly another topic.
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That's imo a weird argument since this was the case when the pillory was still existing aswell, no?
Smoking in Hospitals also used to be normal , untill it wasnt .
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Smoking in Hospitals also used to be normal , untill it wasnt .
Yes, because People found out that smoking was bad for health, I don't think it's a "new discovery" that banns only involve the banned Player and GO's.
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Yes, because People found out that smoking was bad for health, I don't think it's a "new discovery" that banns only involve the banned Player and GO's.
Back in the day regulations for Privacy werent that strict , major changes have been made on various platforms in the last few years .
Pretty sure , it's because of some Legal reasons that - back then - it was available for public and now not .
Rules change - companies adapt .
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I'd really love to see the pillory come back, not sure why they removed that.
Because this information involves only the banned player and game administration.
That's not a reason, it use to be in game I didn't just conjure this up as a suggestion.
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I think banned Players are punished enough and 37 days are enough time to pillage all of their cities.
Some banned Players also complain about this double-punishment with the actual ban and being pillaged without any option to defend against it and while I love pillaging banned Players (doing that right now)... they kinda have a point.
So I think it is fine the way it is right now, except for that I would also love to see the pillory come back.
I guess they shouldn't have been breaking the rules then. The fact that they only get a maximum of 1 year bans now (I assume that is still the case) they should consider lucky seeing as they cheated their way the entire time to the point they are when they got banned. Most of these tended to be a lifetime ban for the account.
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Yes, because People found out that smoking was bad for health, I don't think it's a "new discovery" that banns only involve the banned Player and GO's.
Back in the day regulations for Privacy werent that strict , major changes have been made on various platforms in the last few years .
Pretty sure , it's because of some Legal reasons that - back then - it was available for public and now not .
Rules change - companies adapt .
This doesn't have to do with anything about privacy. Gameforge isn't out there posting their email address or any personal information. The only information that would be posted that we don't have access to is length of ban and reason both of which have nothing to do with personal privacy.
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The pillory has always been a privacy issue and almost every other game does not comment on the status of a specific player.
Also, the removal of the pillory (2015) happened right before GDPR (2016) so GF clearly didn't feel like it was worth the legal exposure.
I don't really see it as a privacy issue considering all it had was ban dates and a reason/note which often was so brief it didn't even give a clear explanation.
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The pillory has always been a privacy issue and almost every other game does not comment on the status of a specific player.
Also, the removal of the pillory (2015) happened right before GDPR (2016) so GF clearly didn't feel like it was worth the legal exposure.
I don't really see it as a privacy issue considering all it had was ban dates and a reason/note which often was so brief it didn't even give a clear explanation.
It's not like it is revealing any personal information.Honestly, I'm going with it depends and GF likely didn't want to fight GDPR complaints about it. Someone could make a GDPR complaint and it'd just tie up resources, even if the complaint is fundamentally flawed, so why allow it?
Additionally, every other game I've ever played has always kept punishments between the game operator and the user so I imagine it's common practice for a reason.
I'd say that revealing why someone was banned is private information and even listing a duration it could be inferred what the user did.
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I'd say that revealing why someone was banned is private information and even listing a duration it could be inferred what the user did.
new papers over in Europe quiver in fear.
Can you tell me what my name is? where I live? you can't identify me out of game, at most you'd able to tell oh rastan got banned for insulting someone in game, yes this is a real example of what the pillory use to say "insult 1" or something like that.
IF ANY information on an account is private then we need to get rid of the high score how dare you know how many points I have, How dare you be able to find out how many points I have, how much military I have, how much gold I have,
How dare you be able to find a list of all my town names by opening a message to me and not even sending it but looking at the list of garrison requests.Im not saying you are wrong about why GF removed it, im saying I would like this answer to come from someone of authority, Draxo will do if he has an authoritative answer.
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I'd say that revealing why someone was banned is private information and even listing a duration it could be inferred what the user did.
new papers over in Europe quiver in fear.
Can you tell me what my name is? where I live? you can't identify me out of game, at most you'd able to tell oh rastan got banned for insulting someone in game, yes this is a real example of what the pillory use to say "insult 1" or something like that.
IF ANY information on an account is private then we need to get rid of the high score how dare you know how many points I have, How dare you be able to find out how many points I have, how much military I have, how much gold I have,
How dare you be able to find a list of all my town names by opening a message to me and not even sending it but looking at the list of garrison requests.Im not saying you are wrong about why GF removed it, im saying I would like this answer to come from someone of authority, Draxo will do if he has an authoritative answer.
Why even mark a player as banned in game if it's such a privacy concern.. good lord the lunacy of it all.Yes, your name is Rastan. You're male and you live on somewhere on the planet Earth.
Again, as I stated, check *any* other game. World of Warcraft won't divulge if someone is banned. FFXIV won't divulge if someone is banned. Why is that? Is there possibly some privacy legislation revolving around that? Most likely.
All GF is doing is what every other game has been doing since forever.
There's also a huge difference in punishment between the GO and the player and what your high score is.
The private information is not your name, your score, etc.
The private information is your punishment as that is between you and the game operators. If you got banned for X for Y days, no other player needs to know that. That's private information between the GO and the player.
I get it. You want to see the banned list so you can go pillage them.
Also, Draxo already responded here and basically said what I've said:
"Because this information involves only the banned player and game administration."
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Again, as I stated, check *any* other game. World of Warcraft won't divulge if someone is banned. FFXIV won't divulge if someone is banned. Why is that? Is there possibly some privacy legislation revolving around that? Most likely.
All GF is doing is what every other game has been doing since forever.
You implied it was EU legislation but now you say it's because others games don't and you damn well know most games never did long before that legislation so what point are you trying to make now?
There's also a huge difference in punishment between the GO and the player and what your high score is.
The private information is not your name, your score, etc.
The private information is your punishment as that is between you and the game operators. If you got banned for X for Y days, no other player needs to know that. That's private information between the GO and the player.
Explain the differences, there is other information such as military score, gold, etc that are disclosed by GF that you can not get any other way. but some how that's different, you say privacy, I say privacy of what?
You know nothing of the player based on their in game name, pillory of not.
I get it. You want to see the banned list so you can go pillage them.
LOL.. no.. not even close, I already know the banned players and where they're located.
No.. I liked knowing the reason if someone gets banned for multi abuse, pushing, etc that's useful information to have ingame.
Also, Draxo already responded here and basically said what I've said:
"Because this information involves only the banned player and game administration."
Did you miss the part where I responded to Draxo's post?
There use to be a pillory so his answer is unsatisfactory, If this had always been the line from GF that would be different.
I'd like to know what changed, I'd like to be a factual answer not someones speculation, yours, draxo's or otherwise.whether I get an answer or not is another matter altogether.
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There used to be...once upon a time...bla bla.
Sorry, but this topic is getting old.
Bans concern us and the affected players and that's it.
The fact, that you once did something wrong does not mean you have to go back to doing it wrong.
The pillory is gone for several years and it will stay gone.
As for "you can't identify me from just a nickname" etc., you'd be surprised, what the GDPR considers as personal data you can identify specific persons with and what is possible.
And to be frank....no, we won't risk GDPR audits and legal issues just so you can happily know more about why someone is banned. Tough luck, deal with it.
As for the initial suggestion/issue:
Banned players should remain in a pillage-able state for a longer period of time. Currently they are active but banned for a 7 days and than inactive for 30 before being ghosted.
That's just generally how inactivity works in Ikariam. Regardless of whether you became inactive because of a ban or because of you just becoming inactive on your own. And we're not going to introduce the special case "but if banned, increase duration".
