Warehouse and Dump increased levels

  • 2 questions


    1 does anyone know how many dumps you can have now? i know it's at least 2, Warehouses bumped from 4->5 it looks like


    2nd question. Has anyone crunched the numbers on dump vs warehouse?


    It use to be simple dump = 4 warehouses but no protection.. but it looks like that's changed with the level increases to lv80 dump and lv85 warehouses.


    Dumps use to cost a lot of resources to build.. but if we look at top level warehouse lv85 vs dump lv80


    Warehouse Lv85 Wood:2,477,547,780 Marble:1,296,260,886 Capacity:576,887,609
    Dump lv80 Wood:3,980,367,111 Marble:999,433,788 Crystal:554,194,356 Sulfur:3,583,960,381 Capacity:612,494,861

    Costs are taken from ingame "help" without reduction, but we're comparing relative cost so it wont' matter.


    at a glance it looks like the dump is still superior in raw capacity but the gaps is not very wide considering the material cost, not only does it cost more wood and marble but crystal and sulfur in addition.


    Has anyone crunched the numbers to see what the total goods cost is for a given capacity?


    It seems like dumps are now a bad value, cost more to build, barely holds more in the end, doesn't have protection.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

  • "Has anyone crunched the numbers to see what the total goods cost is for a given capacity?" - TBH, this question is so vague that I really don't know what answer are you expecting.

    But, I see your main concern and I can tell you that dump is NOT bad value. High levels (for both dumps and warehouses) are bad values.

    My strategy, with the new dumps and warehouses for new towns, is to build 2 warehouses and 1 dump, then gradually increase those to the maximum required resources that is needed at that time when the most expensive building (which is, ofc, the GR) needs to be upgraded.

    When both, the dump and warehouse will require insane amounts of resources, I plan to build: either a 3rd warehouse, or a 2nd dump. I am not sure which one will be more efficient, but I will see when the time comes.

    Still, up to 15 cities (GR 14 in all towns), 2 warehouses and 1 dump seems to be enough.


    P.S.: besides the cost, the dump is not just more expensive (related to the amount of storage capacity offered), but it builds much faster. A real example, from my last built city: I used 2 L23 warehouses and 1 L21 Dump. Both warehouses costed me 228K total resources and are offering a total of 1334K of storage capacity, while the Dump costed 694K and is offering 1824K of storage capacity. Of course, when you look at the cost, Dump is more expensive, BUT (there is a huge BUT, here): if you try to reach the same capacity with only warehouses, the cost is exponentially increasing and you might invest way more resources into warehouses than into that Dump.

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  • You can build up to 5 warehouses and 3 dumps in one city.

    Warehouses are always more efficient in terms of cost per capacity than dumps on the same level. But you can build dumps in a shorter amount of time.

    Therefore its a question of your strategy and needs, what building is better in your situation :)

  • Ya I suppose in the end givein build requirements, I just wish they had stuck with the 4x warehouse capacity.

    I don't really understand the developers reasoning for changing that in the update.


    I've got lv40 dumps in my towns and now im in a situation where I don't want to build them further cause it's a dead end.


    the goods I'd recover from destroying them is pitiful, and yet they're taking up a valuable space in the town.


    My current strategy is to develop my warehouses and ignore the dump until I have to address it.


    I just feel like the rug got pulled on the dumps, relative capacity nerf.


    I guess i'll try to add up the total resources at some point and post them so we can see just how aweful it is now.


    I figured some OCD player had already done it.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

  • I think you need 1 dump and 2 warehouses, the warehouse goes up to quicker.
    warehouse 60 = 38.583.648
    Dump 60 = 89.190.382


    warehouses are cheaper though, so it's more of a mixture. Anyway to get around 90m on a warehouse, you need lvl 70 which takes about 2 years. and will give you about 126m points(of the warehouse alone).


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  • Ok this is eating at me, so I crunched the numbers, if someone wants to check my numbers that would be great.


    Dump lv 1->80

    Wood: 23,867,498,516

    Marble: 6,543,610,545

    Crystal: 3,807,979,490

    Sulfur: 21,489,113,457

    Capacity: 612,494,861

    Build Time: 900.91 Days


    Total Resource Cost: 55,708,202,008

    Capacity vs Cost (Per/Total): 90.95 / 18.19


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    Warehouse lv 1->85

    Wood: 14,856,207,599

    Marble: 7,768,408,438

    Capacity: 576,887,609

    Build Time: 874.23 Days


    Total Resource Cost: 22,624,616,037

    Capacity vs Cost (Per/Total): 39.21 / 7.84



    Capacity vs Cost is cost in resources to store 1 goods..

    ..(A value of 1 would mean you store 1 resource for every 1 goods cost to build, a value of 2 means it costs 2 build cost to store 1 good)

    Numbers are not adjusted for research/reduction


    So it's worse than I thought, first off look at that build time.. wow.


    But assuming you have all the time in the world, the warehouse is nearly a month faster to build despite having 5 levels more, and is less than HALF the cost in resources.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

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  • To a certain point, you can go only with warehouses. But, if you go really higher (let's say 15-17 towns) with only warehouses (which could take 4-5 slots), when you might want to go even higher, you would have to think what building to demolish (which translates to: wasted resources), in order to build a dump. So, you will have to plan ahead, and plan wisely.


    P.S.: you numbers are wrong.

    Somehow, you got the numbers wrong, but only in favor of the warehouse:

    - your warehouse total time is smaller than the real time, while the total resources is correct.

    - your dump total time is correct, while the total resources (55.7B) is way higher than actual number (40.76B)

    For more accurate data, you might want to check this:

    https://docs.google.com/spread…FPArc4/edit#gid=691271560

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  • Dump lv 1->80

    Total Resource Cost: 55,708,202,008

    Warehouse lv 1->85

    Total Resource Cost: 22,624,616,037

    A dump from one place in the city brings in more points in the top list than a warehouse.

    In the initial stages of developing a new city, I'd rather build a 25lv dump than the same capacity of 5x21 warehouses


    From the old version of the game I have in each city warehouses (now already 40, 40, 41, 43) and dump 40. In general, I think one warehouse can be demolished without much damage to the city's capacity.

    Minus one warehouse 40 level is compensated by raising the dump from level 40 to 43, but there is one free space in the city

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  • I did not see the total calculated there.. but your depot numbers (I kept referring to it as a dump, my bad) are wrong.


    I took my numbers directly from the in game help "buildings" section.


    EX: lv80 depot wood cost is: 3,980,367,11 (ingame help) your spread sheet has it as 4,628,333,851 which is actually more so Im not sure how you ended up with a lower total cost in spite of you saying I calculated high.


    I double checked the warehouse time and you're right about that though, I went back and edited my post to reflect the correction..

    .. Hmm actually it doesn't look liek i can edit that post anymore so *shrug*


    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

  • You need to use an account that does NOT have the buildings reductions researches. The numbers that you see in that spread-sheet are the actual buildings costs. Please check again, but not on your main account. You will see.


  • I was not aware the help section calculated in research reductions, I don't have bunch of accounts to check this.


    Can you please post screen shots of the help/building section so I can see the numbers?


    That would mean my base numbers are wrong, but it would not change the relative comparison since the numbers would be reduce proportional regardless.


    100 is a 1/10th of 1000


    just like 100 - 50% = 50 as 1/10th of 1000 -50% = 500


    also you said my calculations are high @ 55b despite having accounted for reductions and yet you say the true cost is around 40b.. doesn't make any sense.

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  • It's already been discussed in many other threads on this forum.

    My account where I got those numbers is not working anymore (probably because of inactivity and I don't want to create another). You can do it yourself. Or, if you use your main account, where researches are in place, at least use them in all your calculations.

  • Hate mate :thumbup:


    if you use your main account, where researches are in place, at least use them in all your calculations.

    I only have 1 account mate, that's what im trying to tell you, I got the numbers from the in game help on my "main" (only) account.


    And the numbers are relative to each other even if not absolutely correct if it's taking research into consideration.


    but im still perplexed how I figured high and yet you say the actual cost is 40b.. with or without reductions.


    using your spread sheet I got a actual figure of 64,776,979,254 (64b)


    But it doesn't matter.. I learned what I need to learn.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

  • 64B for what? This is way higher for any of these buildings: warehouse or dump.

    Anyway, you should take into consideration the reductions too. In a real scenario, they will, definitely, be used and the numbers will be a lot different.

  • 64B for what? This is way higher for any of these buildings: warehouse or dump.

    Anyway, you should take into consideration the reductions too. In a real scenario, they will, definitely, be used and the numbers will be a lot different.

    that's what I got adding up what you have in your spread sheet, I have on idea where you got 40b for the depot regardless of research reductions.


    just lv70-80 is 47b on my account which is apparently with research reductions calculated in.


    The thread was about comparing cost to capacity.. doesn't matter if we figure in reductions or not as long as we're consistent, it's still a relative comparison.


    it's like which is heavier a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

  • Here is some information about the points on the top list that you will get from building:

    80 level dump - 647.769.789;

    85 level warehouse - 263,076,933.

    Multiply those points by 100 to get the total amount of resources you need to build these buildings.

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  • You don't need to add anything. That is the spreadsheet used for: to do the math for you. Just use 0, as level reducers and go to level level 80 of the "Depot" numbers and check the "Total cost" row. It will show 40,762,699,243. This is the MAXIMUM cost, for someone with reductions researches, but with no reduction buildings.


    If you want to see the gross cost (with no research at all), just put 0 everywhere (building levels and research levels). You will see 47,398,487,492. This is the total cost of Dump 1-80, with no reduction at all.


    Now, enter 50 in every "Reduction building level", to see the MIMIMUM cost of the Dump, and you will see 17,063,455,497. This is the cost for someone that has every resource reduction building maxed out.

    I still don't get it where you come with this magic number of 64B. This is insane!

  • Damn. I got it now. Some of the rows are off by 1 :(

    I'll have to fix them.

    The strange thing is, that i checked those on my account, and the given sums were correct :|