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I just took the time to read the thread.... pretty cool your idea. The problem is: after this update, things will never be the same anymore. This last update was the worst I've ever seen. Thank God I quit the game a long time ago. It seems I made a good decision.

You're right, quitting was the best thing you've done. I just came by to renew my V-mode. Not doing anything now is the best thing to do. I don't wanna get surprised by another "great" idea of theirs.

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If you're still on v-mode, you probably won't read this but, games like this has no solution but to die or be full of psychos who think they rule the game, which I think it's the current situation. This is not the only game which lacks cooperation. A bunch of other games are not fun playing online anymore. Games like Counter Strike and Point Blank are also dying because they are full of spoiled players who can't stand someone using knife. They will kick you out of the room if you do.

Exactly, full of psychos who think you owe them something, like User. Please, ignore his questions, he thinks he has the right to know why you're here even though you quit a long time ago. I also noticed that too. Many gamers does not have the patience to play online anymore.

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They end a battle and start another one right away, and if you decide to go back to real life for a moment, they will block your ports until you get ghosted. It's an endless headache. This is one of the reasons why I quit the game.

I have nothing against players who want to fight endlessly. The game is projected to play the way you want as long as you do not break the rules. Gold and general banks are the biggest reason why this game has died. Yes, the game is dead. People are not having momentum. Upgrading buildings to get points? Give me a break! They should reward players for investing years of their lives in this game. It's a huge disrespect to the good players.

The deciders come up with awful updates just to avoid hurting the bad guys' feelings and we end up paying the price. Have you reached lvl 50 on your reducers? Congratulations, after this update, buildings will cost the double and you will need to invest tons of resources to get what you took years to achieve.

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If that's the case, I totally agree to use alts.

Using alts as a form a punishment seems to be a good idea but in the end they will simply adapt their strategy like they did after the last update. The big guys are still buying ambrosia and the general banks are still there. At the end of the day, who's worse off: gameforge for making profit or the good guys who will always be in disadvantage for doin' the right thing?

That's the kind of game I don't wanna play. See you in one month... or not!

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Hahahaahhaha OMG!! Good luck, The Crow! I'm hitting v-mode tonight. By the way, look what I found on google. They should be honest at least, uh?

Yes,well known to us long time players and im sure the GO'S as well. Dont v.mode.

Too late, I don't want to see the mess they made. I hope you have fun, though. The gold banks definitely will...

Well, good bye Killjoy. See you in two days or less. I hope you have a great vacation.

F.U. (Fool yourself), User!

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Hahahaahhaha OMG!! Good luck, The Crow! I'm hitting v-mode tonight. By the way, look what I found on google. They should be honest at least, uh?

Yes,well known to us long time players and im sure the GO'S as well. Dont v.mode.

Too late, I don't want to see the mess they made. I hope you have fun, though. The gold banks definitely will...

Hahahaahhaha OMG!! Good luck, The Crow! I'm hitting v-mode tonight. By the way, look what I found on google. They should be honest at least, uh?

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It won't, walls are stronger.

I never thought they would ever get to this level. Nice job, GF!

Walls aren't that strong, you just use mortars and they're inactive.

It doesn't surprise me the fact that you didn't read what they posted

It won't, walls are stronger.

I never thought they would ever get to this level. Nice job, GF!

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Well multi accounts are part of the game. You can complain about but this is a decision the gamedevelopers made to keep the game alive. Because all the decisions we can still experience the game.

We can see now the long term plans they made. Last couple years they pade some upgrades, made some new buildings also changed some important things like cargo ships and more city's. And many more things to come in the future.

So yeah, I'm not happy with multi's but they kept the game alive. And not all multi's are so strong, If you have a good alliance you can still do stuff. Attacking pillaging and other stuff. Just learn the basics of combat and take some time and things can happen. If you attack a multi-account they can't help that account directly. Mostlikely another alliance member will help out. So in real combat a multi has no more advantages than a fair player. Yes, general banks are part of the game but they are still limited in what they can do.

So yeah, nothing we can do. But we still enjoy the benefits from them in the longer term. Since they pay mostlikely the bills to keep this game running.

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I noticed the GOs lost faith in the game. This game still has the potential to be way better and more fun. Based on Badidol's replies, they seem to be tired and don't want to have the headache to keep fixing errors or managing new stuff. I mean, they always fix the bugs, which is super important to keep the game playable, but you feel that something is missing, you know...

However, I understand their situation. They have been working on this game for years, and they have seen and dealt with a bunch of stuff, including this alt stuff. That's why most of the threads related to this topic is useless.

I mean, imagine if there was another currency like silver? Imagine if the appearance of towns improved as you upgrade the town hall? Imagine your walls getting stronger as you upgrade it? Thirty mortars can break the wall in one round regardless of its level.

I noticed people are not having momentum, they just upgrade buildings to make more gold, found more colonies and get more points. Yaayyy (not really)!

Do you remember Ikariam Solarium? It was a script to change the climate of your towns. Day, afternoon, night, rainy, etc. In the past, things like this were very exciting because the game was never the same. People love novelty.

I think the GOs created a bunch of useless stuff in the game. No one trains doctors anymore, for example. No one has ever seen real evidence that they heal troops. A lot of players still don't have walls because they think the time and resources you invest is not worth the investment, which in my opinion is true.

There are a bunch of useless stuff that is part of their coding that does not provide any benefit. That's the maintenance nightmare they should be afraid of.

Like I said, players are very rational, and they always look for cost-benefit solutions, which I totally agree. Alts are here to stay, but if they changed things a little bit, especially regarding gold banks, we wouldn't be looking for so many shortcuts.

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His solution is to ghost your account. That's how losers play. I dont think he has ever been in a real war.

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Yeah, some hit v-mode, others ghost their towns. Either way, fighting nowadays is just a competition of who gets more troops faster.

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The 2 biggest alliances on perseus have so many alts it's not funny and most are piracy farms. You can tell because on your islands they have no workers and made no donations yet they have a fortress. Time to exploit the greed.

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After this update I'll probably quit the game. Even pillaging inactive players is going to be harder. The good player will always end up being worse off than before. I don't know, I may hit v-mode for a while, let's see...

The same thing here. I can't cancel my freighters.

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Well multi accounts are part of the game. You can complain about but this is a decision the gamedevelopers made to keep the game alive. Because all the decisions we can still experience the game.

We can see now the long term plans they made. Last couple years they pade some upgrades, made some new buildings also changed some important things like cargo ships and more city's. And many more things to come in the future.

So yeah, I'm not happy with multi's but they kept the game alive. And not all multi's are so strong, If you have a good alliance you can still do stuff. Attacking pillaging and other stuff. Just learn the basics of combat and take some time and things can happen. If you attack a multi-account they can't help that account directly. Mostlikely another alliance member will help out. So in real combat a multi has no more advantages than a fair player. Yes, general banks are part of the game but they are still limited in what they can do.

So yeah, nothing we can do. But we still enjoy the benefits from them in the longer term. Since they pay mostlikely the bills to keep this game running.

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I noticed the GOs lost faith in the game. This game still has the potential to be way better and more fun. Based on Badidol's replies, they seem to be tired and don't want to have the headache to keep fixing errors or managing new stuff. I mean, they always fix the bugs, which is super important to keep the game playable, but you feel that something is missing, you know...

However, I understand their situation. They have been working on this game for years, and they have seen and dealt with a bunch of stuff, including this alt stuff. That's why most of the threads related to this topic is useless.

I mean, imagine if there was another currency like silver? Imagine if the appearance of towns improved as you upgrade the town hall? Imagine your walls getting stronger as you upgrade it? Thirty mortars can break the wall in one round regardless of its level.

I noticed people are not having momentum, they just upgrade buildings to make more gold, found more colonies and get more points. Yaayyy (not really)!

Do you remember Ikariam Solarium? It was a script to change the climate of your towns. Day, afternoon, night, rainy, etc. In the past, things like this were very exciting because the game was never the same. People love novelty.

I think the GOs created a bunch of useless stuff in the game. No one trains doctors anymore, for example. No one has ever seen real evidence that they heal troops. A lot of players still don't have walls because they think the time and resources you invest is not worth the investment, which in my opinion is true.

There are a bunch of useless stuff that is part of their coding that does not provide any benefit. That's the maintenance nightmare they should be afraid of.

Like I said, players are very rational, and they always look for cost-benefit solutions, which I totally agree. Alts are here to stay, but if they changed things a little bit, especially regarding gold banks, we wouldn't be looking for so many shortcuts.

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His solution is to ghost your account. That's how losers play. I dont think he has ever been in a real war.

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Yeah, some hit v-mode, others ghost their towns. Either way, fighting nowadays is just a competition of who gets more troops faster.

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Well multi accounts are part of the game. You can complain about but this is a decision the gamedevelopers made to keep the game alive. Because all the decisions we can still experience the game.

We can see now the long term plans they made. Last couple years they pade some upgrades, made some new buildings also changed some important things like cargo ships and more city's. And many more things to come in the future.

So yeah, I'm not happy with multi's but they kept the game alive. And not all multi's are so strong, If you have a good alliance you can still do stuff. Attacking pillaging and other stuff. Just learn the basics of combat and take some time and things can happen. If you attack a multi-account they can't help that account directly. Mostlikely another alliance member will help out. So in real combat a multi has no more advantages than a fair player. Yes, general banks are part of the game but they are still limited in what they can do.

So yeah, nothing we can do. But we still enjoy the benefits from them in the longer term. Since they pay mostlikely the bills to keep this game running.

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I noticed the GOs lost faith in the game. This game still has the potential to be way better and more fun. Based on Badidol's replies, they seem to be tired and don't want to have the headache to keep fixing errors or managing new stuff. I mean, they always fix the bugs, which is super important to keep the game playable, but you feel that something is missing, you know...

However, I understand their situation. They have been working on this game for years, and they have seen and dealt with a bunch of stuff, including this alt stuff. That's why most of the threads related to this topic is useless.

I mean, imagine if there was another currency like silver? Imagine if the appearance of towns improved as you upgrade the town hall? Imagine your walls getting stronger as you upgrade it? Thirty mortars can break the wall in one round regardless of its level.

I noticed people are not having momentum, they just upgrade buildings to make more gold, found more colonies and get more points. Yaayyy (not really)!

Do you remember Ikariam Solarium? It was a script to change the climate of your towns. Day, afternoon, night, rainy, etc. In the past, things like this were very exciting because the game was never the same. People love novelty.

I think the GOs created a bunch of useless stuff in the game. No one trains doctors anymore, for example. No one has ever seen real evidence that they heal troops. A lot of players still don't have walls because they think the time and resources you invest is not worth the investment, which in my opinion is true.

There are a bunch of useless stuff that is part of their coding that does not provide any benefit. That's the maintenance nightmare they should be afraid of.

Like I said, players are very rational, and they always look for cost-benefit solutions, which I totally agree. Alts are here to stay, but if they changed things a little bit, especially regarding gold banks, we wouldn't be looking for so many shortcuts.

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And I've proven to you, time and time again, that alts don't do that.

Yes, they do. The only thing you proved is that there are a lot of offers at the trading post, which in my opinion, are not traded because of the same reason: alts. I would say only 20% of the sales are closed because, like I said at the beginning of this thread, some people don't have time to manage two, three or eleven accounts.

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Again, I played this game before IP sharing. The game wasn't dramatically different back then. I started on Omikron back in 2011. The same thing that happens to every modern server happened. Initially, we had a lot of different people that were our neighbors so we invited our friends. We painstakingly waited for our neighbors to ghost so that we could take over their town slots. Additionally, my friend and I invested in our mines because we were planning for the long term. Back then, you could invite your friends and not only did you get ships, but you also got them to start in your area so we invited everyone we knew, including my entire Warcraft guild.

They weren't fighters, they were suppliers and donators. We built a navy and protected them, they donated to the mines and sold us whatever we needed.

Of course there were fighters. My first account was at 52:52, in the middle of the map, and right after I upgraded my town hall to level 5, people started pillaging me. I built an embassy as soon as possible and joined an alliance from a guy who was on the same island. Guess what? This same dude is one of the players who left the game because of this general bank nonsense.

We used to do the same things: add each other to get bonuses, exchange resources between ourselves and attack other alliances to get resources. It's been years I don't press the "transport goods" button to send resources to a mate. I only do this to myself. Read again, YEARS!!!

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After you got 180 ships, there wasn't really anything to spend gold on outside of goods, so they effectively became gold banks. Usually what would happen is we would sell them wood at the max price and then we would buy the lux goods at the lowest price. This was, and still is, legal. What's not legal is selling wood to them at max price then turning around in buying it at min price. That's pushing gold to yourself.

Players are very rational when they play this game. They always analyze the cost-benefit for every action of the game. They always want to get there faster. They want to buy time, but most of them weren't willing to buy ambrosia. That's why they started this gold bank stuff. Raising tons of resources to train troops takes weeks, sometimes months. Training them also takes weeks, sometimes months. The upkeep cost is huge, so the process of training troops takes too much time, and the fun of destroying troops is very, very fast, like anything in life.

Like I said, we live in an era of instant gratification. Waiting days or weeks to train troops is, to a lot of people, an insult. Look at you and your mates lashing out at me, for example.

People were looking for loopholes and they found one: VPN. The VPN itself is not against the rules like Draxo said, but using it to get advantage at an expense of other players is against the rules, and that's the part you refuse to understand. If you want to see someone's character, give them power. The problem is, they have power, we all have power, but some choose to cross the line and others don't.

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I don't really see the problem with general banks because they're the natural result of cooperation. You don't want to cooperate and you want to be on your own in a small alliance.

No, I don't want to be in a small alliance. I want to be in a big alliance full of people who want to think, create strategies and become better each day. Testing and learning new navy skills, using troops and wonders smartly, managing their gold stock wisely, etc. When a lot of people do that, the trading post will always be profitable, people will build reducers because there will be advantage for all buildings and not only the palace and GHs.

Fighting nowadays is just a competition of who gets more troops faster. You need to be 24 hours in front of the screen because, if your enemies buy more troops than you, you lose. Everybody has forge, so there are no other variables that dictate the victory.

What's the point of starting an alliance and not wanting any members? It doesn't make sense.

General banks are the natural result of cheating. It started illegally, and because everybody was doing it to "adapt", it became "normal" to you.

Based on your story, you wanted to win at all costs. Guess what? You did, but you lost the sense about the real fun of the game.

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Considering we stuck with 1+10, it's safe to assume that's the majority opinion.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is lol. Even Badidol himself said it was at best 50% against it. At best. You're in the minority. Accept it.

And the reality is it does not matter. If you're playing with IP sharing, you can't send res to your main account directly at all.

50% is half, not the minority.

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You're excluding the "at best" part which implies that it is at most 50%, but unlikely to be 50%, therefore the status quo is the majority.

And even still, for a rule change of that magnitude, I'd recommend a super majority (66% minimum, usually 75% or more) to change the status quo.

If it was up to me, though, I'd just have two server types so everyone can get what they want, but I wouldn't be surprised when the no IP sharing server is pretty empty (which can be both good and bad). One of the new servers they opened recently in BG only has 150 players.

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We have players from many countries. Most of them suffer in silence because they don't know forums exist, the GOs don't listen to them or people like you keep shoving the same argument down our throats. I've already given many examples of how the alts and general banks affect the game, and you only say the same thing over and over again regardless of what we say.

Deep inside you know something must be done, but I know it's a waste of time to prove you otherwise. I was really expecting to see people share win-win solutions on this thread, but I think it's just a big waste of time.

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Quit extrapolating that what the small minority wants. Badidol has already made it clear that the community is split 50/50 at best.

He or she could've gotten it a variety of ways. They've also been playing since 2011. That's plenty of time to warehouse gold if you wanted to warehouse gold and that's not including how much additional gold the God's Shrine can produce. As long as you have excess citizens, you will continue to generate gold.

On my main account, with full production and no trading, I have 250M gold right now. Am I cheating? No. I just evenly developed the town hall in all of my cities and used the God's Shrine for gold after the merge.

I've sold over 10m worth of goods alone this week. If I continued to do so and continued to grow without buying ships, I could have a billion gold in 100 weeks (less than 2 years). I wouldn't have used the Black Market for any of that, just for the efficient trading of resources.

What rule am I offering to break? I've said I would move my two accounts with a valid IP sharing agreement and donate to your islands. None of that is breaking any past or current rule. If you don't like the idea that it's two accounts, I can move one account instead, which still isn't violating any rule.

Instead of vaguely referencing what rule you suspect I'm breaking, be specific, what rule am I breaking if I have 1 account on your islands that is peacefully donating?

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If the community is split 50/50, so it's not the minority who agrees with me, but I noticed someone like you will never understand.

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Considering we stuck with 1+10, it's safe to assume that's the majority opinion.

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No, it's not.

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Yes, it is lol. Even Badidol himself said it was at best 50% against it. At best. You're in the minority. Accept it.

And the reality is it does not matter. If you're playing with IP sharing, you can't send res to your main account directly at all.

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50% is half, not the minority.

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You are. Here is the high score for trading. Look, you're hostile towards cooperation. We both know this. Rather than be in a larger alliance, you want to be in alliance of two.

All of those are choices you're making that limit your ability to cooperate in game. It has nothing to do with alts (you can't buy goods from your alt from the trading post) and everything to do with your unwillingness to cooperate.

I have even offered to work with you in the game because you don't have anyone to play with and you decline. These are choices that you are making to isolate yourself.

Both you and The Crow intentionally misrepresent your servers. I've no idea what you plan to accomplish with these false narratives.

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Just because I'm replying to your posts doesn't mean I'm the only one who's in favor of this. Don't forget there are 20+ members who are against this alts stuff, and the only reason they don't reply you anymore is because they noticed you're a lost cause.

There are 30 pages full of posts, opinions and evidence about the reality of the game. The top 1 player on your list has over a billion gold. How did he get all that? Black. Market.

What you're offering me is not cooperation. You're inviting me to break the rules and be dishonest to "adapt" to the current situation. I don't isolate myself, I'm very selective when it comes to partnership. I don't want to play with someone who thinks that breaking the rules is adapting. If people were the real problem, I wouldn't even start an alliance.

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Quit extrapolating that what the small minority wants. Badidol has already made it clear that the community is split 50/50 at best.

He or she could've gotten it a variety of ways. They've also been playing since 2011. That's plenty of time to warehouse gold if you wanted to warehouse gold and that's not including how much additional gold the God's Shrine can produce. As long as you have excess citizens, you will continue to generate gold.

On my main account, with full production and no trading, I have 250M gold right now. Am I cheating? No. I just evenly developed the town hall in all of my cities and used the God's Shrine for gold after the merge.

I've sold over 10m worth of goods alone this week. If I continued to do so and continued to grow without buying ships, I could have a billion gold in 100 weeks (less than 2 years). I wouldn't have used the Black Market for any of that, just for the efficient trading of resources.

What rule am I offering to break? I've said I would move my two accounts with a valid IP sharing agreement and donate to your islands. None of that is breaking any past or current rule. If you don't like the idea that it's two accounts, I can move one account instead, which still isn't violating any rule.

Instead of vaguely referencing what rule you suspect I'm breaking, be specific, what rule am I breaking if I have 1 account on your islands that is peacefully donating?

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If the community is split 50/50, so it's not the minority who agrees with me, but I noticed someone like you will never understand.

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Considering we stuck with 1+10, it's safe to assume that's the majority opinion.

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No, it's not.

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What rule am I offering to break? I've said I would move my two accounts with a valid IP sharing agreement and donate to your islands. None of that is breaking any past or current rule. If you don't like the idea that it's two accounts, I can move one account instead, which still isn't violating any rule

Do whatever you want, User. I'm not your mother. The island is full right now, I don't think you'll be capable to do such thing.

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Yeah, right. I'm lying.... the demand is so huge people are quitting their alts to live off of trading.

You are. Here is the high score for trading. Look, you're hostile towards cooperation. We both know this. Rather than be in a larger alliance, you want to be in alliance of two.

All of those are choices you're making that limit your ability to cooperate in game. It has nothing to do with alts (you can't buy goods from your alt from the trading post) and everything to do with your unwillingness to cooperate.

I have even offered to work with you in the game because you don't have anyone to play with and you decline. These are choices that you are making to isolate yourself.

Both you and The Crow intentionally misrepresent your servers. I've no idea what you plan to accomplish with these false narratives.

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Just because I'm replying to your posts doesn't mean I'm the only one who's in favor of this. Don't forget there are 20+ members who are against this alts stuff, and the only reason they don't reply you anymore is because they noticed you're a lost cause.

There are 30 pages full of posts, opinions and evidence about the reality of the game. The top 1 player on your list has over a billion gold. How did he get all that? Black. Market.

What you're offering me is not cooperation. You're inviting me to break the rules and be dishonest to "adapt" to the current situation. I don't isolate myself, I'm very selective when it comes to partnership. I don't want to play with someone who thinks that breaking the rules is adapting. If people were the real problem, I wouldn't even start an alliance.

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Quit extrapolating that what the small minority wants. Badidol has already made it clear that the community is split 50/50 at best.

He or she could've gotten it a variety of ways. They've also been playing since 2011. That's plenty of time to warehouse gold if you wanted to warehouse gold and that's not including how much additional gold the God's Shrine can produce. As long as you have excess citizens, you will continue to generate gold.

On my main account, with full production and no trading, I have 250M gold right now. Am I cheating? No. I just evenly developed the town hall in all of my cities and used the God's Shrine for gold after the merge.

I've sold over 10m worth of goods alone this week. If I continued to do so and continued to grow without buying ships, I could have a billion gold in 100 weeks (less than 2 years). I wouldn't have used the Black Market for any of that, just for the efficient trading of resources.

What rule am I offering to break? I've said I would move my two accounts with a valid IP sharing agreement and donate to your islands. None of that is breaking any past or current rule. If you don't like the idea that it's two accounts, I can move one account instead, which still isn't violating any rule.

Instead of vaguely referencing what rule you suspect I'm breaking, be specific, what rule am I breaking if I have 1 account on your islands that is peacefully donating?

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If the community is split 50/50, so it's not the minority who agrees with me, but I noticed someone like you will never understand.

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Yeah, right. I'm lying.... the demand is so huge people are quitting their alts to live off of trading.

You are. Here is the high score for trading. Look, you're hostile towards cooperation. We both know this. Rather than be in a larger alliance, you want to be in alliance of two.

All of those are choices you're making that limit your ability to cooperate in game. It has nothing to do with alts (you can't buy goods from your alt from the trading post) and everything to do with your unwillingness to cooperate.

I have even offered to work with you in the game because you don't have anyone to play with and you decline. These are choices that you are making to isolate yourself.

Both you and The Crow intentionally misrepresent your servers. I've no idea what you plan to accomplish with these false narratives.

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Just because I'm replying to your posts doesn't mean I'm the only one who's in favor of this. Don't forget there are 20+ members who are against this alts stuff, and the only reason they don't reply you anymore is because they noticed you're a lost cause.

There are 30 pages full of posts, opinions and evidence about the reality of the game. The top 1 player on your list has over a billion gold. How did he get all that? Black. Market.

What you're offering me is not cooperation. You're inviting me to break the rules and be dishonest to "adapt" to the current situation. I don't isolate myself, I'm very selective when it comes to partnership. I don't want to play with someone who thinks that breaking the rules is adapting. If people were the real problem, I wouldn't even start an alliance.

Yeah, right. I'm lying.... the demand is so huge people are quitting their alts to live off of trading.

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You sure seem to assume a lot of things. Because we do have a gen bank and use it I have first hand experience as to how much of an advantage it is and yes a 48 hour ban would hurt them bad. You obviously have no idea what the upkeep is on a gen bank when open. Just stop replying to me ok? You make no sense.

What's the average upkeep cost? I confess I have no idea, but it seems to be huge.

90,000 gens is approx 180,000 gold per hour and double it if they are not at home or are on the move. Thats why gen banks are only kept open for as short a time as possible.

One player having 1 million generals by himself is impossible. That's what I'm talking about. If they add ambrosia costs, they will fire 90% of it. The GOs changed a bunch of stuff just to avoid hurting the bad guys' feelings. Now everybody needs to upgrade the workshop like crazy to have a chance to fight. All the hard work we had went to waste.

We live in an era of ADHD and instant gratification. That's why they love the black market. Do you really think people will spend months upgrading their troops? They will simply quit fighting.

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. . . How is it impossible? I just explained how an alliance could all send troops to one account as a general bank. As long as the general bank has lower points than the accounts sending, you can send as many resources as you want. Yes, they have to be sold for gold, but they can be sold for minimum cost and then turned around and bought for maximum cost to keep the general bank stocked with troops and gold.

My small account (>1m total score) is making 7+m gold / week. Can you imagine how much gold an actual developed account can make?

Finally, the reason the Black Market strategy exists is because it allows large alliances to pool troops during peace time to use them during war time and what you're seeing is the result of pooling troops during peace time.

Again, you have an alliance of 2 people, yourself and someone else. I don't know how well you two work together, but now imagine you had an alliance of 20x that. All of a sudden, the impossible becomes possible.

If you're going to quit because you can't play a game long term, then quit. I've seen your YT videos and you spent 100m research points so you don't seem like you'd quit over something as trivial as workshop upgrades.

I don't get it. You lament about a lack of cooperation and when I point out that a general bank is probably the pinnacle of cooperation, you don't want to participate.

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Yeah, it's official: you're my number one fan!

Do you know why I did that? Because no one can do it easily. It takes time and patience. Building a kingdom takes time. It was awesome spending that amount of points. There's no "Black Market" for research points. That's the fun part.

As for the amount of gold I have, I hope you know I turned everything off. That's what someone who doesn't have alts does to save gold, because raising capital through the trading post is not possible anymore. Your small account makes 7 million a week. Cool, someone can sell a bunch of spearmen and make over 20 million in one single transaction, and that's what they do.

If ambrosia tariffs is too much to you, why don't they create another currency? What about silver? Citizens pay taxes. On your town hall dashboard, you can select the ratio of gold/silver taxes you may receive. Silver can only be spent with troops and navy, nothing more.

Done. No cooldown time, no ambrosia costs, no workshop nonsense.

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No, it's not. Quality over quantity is what I want. Too many general and gold banks occupying slots that other players could occupy. Believe me, if Badidol or the deciders do something about them, 90% of these players will quit the game. Like I said, I doubt 50% of them spend ambrosia. I actually don't know what the deciders are worried about.

Gold banks aren't going anywhere. There's nothing, currently or planned, that could harm gold banks. Even if there was, they'd simply be reduced into slot blockers like they're currently doing.

I doubt general banks will ever quit. Even with a 48 hour ban, that simply means the maximize size of a general bank can change, but I doubt the strategy will go away.

What quality do you want? That's generally why people join alliances, and during a merger, those alliances build alliance islands.

Part of what feels bad or unnatural about this is organized alliances, who used to have players more spread out, concentrated all of their players on specific parts of the map, but that's a side effect of the merger.

If your argument is "the other players on the server don't play the game the way I want them to" I don't really know what to say to that. You can't force them to play the way you want them to play.

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You sure seem to assume a lot of things. Because we do have a gen bank and use it I have first hand experience as to how much of an advantage it is and yes a 48 hour ban would hurt them bad. You obviously have no idea what the upkeep is on a gen bank when open. Just stop replying to me ok? You make no sense.

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What's the average upkeep cost? I confess I have no idea, but it seems to be huge.

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90,000 gens is approx 180,000 gold per hour and double it if they are not at home or are on the move. Thats why gen banks are only kept open for as short a time as possible.

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One player having 1 million generals by himself is impossible. That's what I'm talking about. If they add ambrosia costs, they will fire 90% of it. The GOs changed a bunch of stuff just to avoid hurting the bad guys' feelings. Now everybody needs to upgrade the workshop like crazy to have a chance to fight. All the hard work we had went to waste.

We live in an era of ADHD and instant gratification. That's why they love the black market. Do you really think people will spend months upgrading their troops? They will simply quit fighting.