Ok...
So should you lose a random % of your resources, gold or building levels or what have you when you enter VM.
Since there is a precedent for losing things...
It's not a very strong stance to make, but whatever floats your boat.
I don't think VM as a feature should be touched, especially as the team has made it abundantly clear that it will see no revisions.
Altering how BM interacts post-vmode is a rather simple yet effective method to burn the banks. Duske outlined above.
There is actually precedent for this: if you have goods in transit when you enable v-mode you lose them.
That's not a precedent for banks holding units in their towns getting wiped on entry to VM.
The precedent that sets is losing units that are en route at best.
Ok now im completely lost. Whats the point of not letting them rebuild? In order to get the resources it does not need to be normal again?
The point is that villages offer more resources than you can possibly pillage with your cargo ships before they rebuild the village.
If you beat a level 20 village, for example, and manage to loot 50% of the rewards and the village is rebuilt it is rebuilt as level 21 and the other half of the loot is unobtainable.
So preventing the village from rebuilding gives you time to loot the rewards, which takes multiple rounds of full ships at later levels.
In my experience, by the time you can get useful amounts of res from the barbarians... Trying to get them out before they rebuild is ridiculously difficult
I think the ram scatter tactic still works to make them unable to rebuild the village.
Heard some talk how it was meant to be fixed somewhere down the line, but I don't think it ever was.
Not familiar with that.
You send a unit that would scatter, such as a battering ram, and the village won't rebuild for that duration.
You could send scatters periodically to prevent it rebuilding for as long as you need. I seem to remember you needed a cargo ship as well, so you have to send said scatter unit from another island.
Been a good good long while since I last did barbarians so cannot confirm if it still exists, but last I heard it was still in the game.
In my experience, by the time you can get useful amounts of res from the barbarians... Trying to get them out before they rebuild is ridiculously difficult
I think the ram scatter tactic still works to make them unable to rebuild the village.
Heard some talk how it was meant to be fixed somewhere down the line, but I don't think it ever was.
Since most players are becoming inactive and their mines are 1/1, you KNOW they are bots!
Operators have the burden of proof, they can't ban you on the basis of being inactive or residing on 1/1 mills.
It's known in playerbase that there are bots, and everything here links to it - but operators still need to be able to present tangible proof to employ sanctions.
Funny stuff though, 460 is a crazy number.
So my question is, Is there anything that could had prevented this bot user from spawning on the server during the merge?
While you cannot prevent anyone from spawning on the server as a result of participating in the merge, you could close your own islands so that others don't land on them.
Obvious cheaters are obvious, idk how he was never caught until now.
It is necessary to have tangible proof that the operator gathers.
The things you mentioned as reasons why he is "obviously a bot user" aren't tangible proof on their own.
I expected a lot of fighting and pillaging from resource scarcity
Using this as food for thought
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It's been rather interesting on the skirmish front.
In .en community, the perceived fighting server (s4) has been quiet, the perceived builder server (s2, largest by a mile) has been likewise quiet, yet the wild card (s3) is seeing some action.
I'm not of the belief that bonuses are that important for the war activity and there are more pressing factors, but I can't say I saw this coming. I had the prediction that s3 would in all regards gather less players than it evidently did.
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At the end of the day I'd expect peeps to be busy lamenting over low mills and that's fine, but then all the servers had the same start date and this wouldn't even suffice as a valid reasoning.
I'm here for it, though!
Err yeah, not counting the vanilla s1 into anything. It's off the charts though I bet 
Display MoreI will explain it that way:
I used to have lv 35 mine and collect marble from it, for an example, now I have lv 15 mine after several days of leveling.
The lv 35 mine produces MORE Marble than a lv 15 one.
And while I do gain some gold, I wanted to dig out that marble, in the next 10 days that mine won't reach it's original level, what's worse, it will be even lower because players who used to level it up are not on the same island or were long ago deleted....
So yeah, do I have exactly what I had on time? Or will it be delayed until I level it back to lv35?
I agree with you on the time aspect.
I don't see a reason for the mine upgrade timers to be capped so high (12h).
In my opinion, you could avoid all the issues of GY-looping (if this is desired) and run an event for a week or two, that makes mine upgrades instantaneous or the cap very low.
What I don't agree with is the amount of donations here;
That is, you gain the amount of donations that you yourself donated.
You no longer reap the benefits of others donations (on that old island) but you had little agency over that to begin with.
Donate more yourself, or replicate the situation by sharing islands with other avid donators on the new server.
If you want to discuss the original point of my post - why do players use multies to block other people places on island?
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I figured out that it was because of piracy. and i think this is morally wrong, albeit it is not in breech of game rules.
It's not morally wrong, you have no agency over the spot. There is no "other people's spot" or "your spot".
It's a free for all at launch and you lost the initiative due to your own lack of preparation. Blame is found in the mirror, yet I don't expect you to consider the option.
Otherwise stop writing frivolous complains, defaming both me, forum moderators and anyone with even common sense.
Ah, but you defamed yourself.
Blame is found in the mirror, quote
Display MoreFor all of you who say: "it doesn't matter what nationality he is, why did you bring it up?" Maybe it does not matter what nationality somebody is on your servers, where one nation is the clear majority, but on multinational servers there is quite a strong unspoken agreement, that you do not attack people of your nationality. especially since no nation has a clear majority of players and you need to stick together (each nationality represents 15% - 25%). so bulgarians don't attack bulgarians, slovenians don't attack slovenians, serbs don't attack serbs, turks don't attack turks and slovaks don't attack slovaks.
And refering to people based on their nationality is in such scenarios common, and even the norm. it is a simple way to give that primal us vs them mentality.
For all of you wandering it is not open season with all nations in constant war with one another. People still cooperate with each other, trade, sign agreements...
But there is a growing animosity towards turkish community, why? Because of the actions of 1 player. Should 1 person actions really have a negative perception on whole nation - NO. But the fact is that in the server this is the opinion of many players
I never said that what he did was against the rules, i just said that this is very scummy behavior. As is using multies to leech faith, gang up on 1 account with 10 of your own... we can all agree that those things, although legal and in accordance of the rules are scummy and in the breech of normal decency.
And for all of you crying in the comments "RaCiSm" what exactly was racist about what i said? NOTHING! NOTHING at all!
Just because i called a turkish player a turk? Really? that is considered racist? give me a break! If he was serbian i would call him a serb, bulgarian i would call a bulgar, slovakian a slovak and so on. but the fact is that he is turkish so i called him a turk.
Oh but shush already, insolent pup
Had an account that needed a day or two for a palace upgrade before moving and I can confirm 48 hours after the merge started the server looked like the rapture had happen.. islands full of vmoded accounts. Surreal.
My beloved 
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This has largely been the case for as long as multies reached their legitimate status.
There are virtually no downsides to closing your islands, or by extension those of your archipelago/area. This was the case pre-merge already, but with people cramped up into a smaller amount of servers it appears more prevalent.
Players often choose to utilize any and all advantages possible, and multies are a very ripe fruit.
Not only is it a manner of utilizing advantages, but you are knowingly committing to a situation open to variables if you leave your islands open.
Eg. Offensive actions, leeching
Welcome to modern ika.
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Dear sir,
I want to begin by offering my most heartfelt apology for calling certain turkish player a "cockroach." It was an impulsive remark, and I can see how it might have offended someone as uniquely sensitive as you. The comparison was unfair. After all, even cockroaches have certain strengths, like a basic sense of decency and the absence of malice, traits which, upon reflection, seem a bit too complimentary in his case. I can understand why you'd feel the sting of the word, as even creatures like that have their limits.
It wasn't my intention to insult something as enduring and resourceful as a cockroach by placing him in the same category. I regret not being more precise with my language. So, let me correct that now: he is not at all like a cockroach. No, cockroaches serve a purpose in the ecosystem, while his contribution remainsā¦ well, harder to identify.
Please don't take this as me being harsh ā I'm simply trying to give you the clarity I should have offered from the beginning. I truly regret any confusion that may have arisen from my initial, poorly phrased observation. Itās important to acknowledge when we unintentionally elevate someone to a status they do not quite deserve, and for that, I sincerely apologize.
I would not be surprised if your attempts at diplomacy were equally successful.
This does help me better understand your insistence on playing a dead server, god forbid you meet other players with rhetoric like this.
What server are you on?
Display MoreDisplay MoreFriendly tip to those that deem helios oil too expensive/etc.
As multiaccounting is allowed within the ruleset, make a multi account that buys oil and continuously graveyard and re-install said multi to your server.
You pay for the quantity of oil once, and as a donation it refreshes from graveyard.
.. tedious, yes, but cost-effective!
Don't you have to buy more than a month's worth for this to work?
So you buy 52 oils, you'd spend 52, you GY which takes roughly 4 weeks (for the sake of argument we'll use 4 weeks). When you recover from the GY, you have 48 oil.
You have to cover 37 days to match the GY timer, so 6 oil items per tower.
It works the same if you have multiple towers, just tower amount times six.
The benefit is that instead of continuously buying a new set of oil, you buy the amount once and reroll it. Value only ever increases over time.
So for one tower, you buy 6 oil items and donate them. This lasts 42 days.
You initiate GY, which takes 37 days.
Once you reroll, you donate again the same 6 oil items.
Rinse and repeat
Edit:
In other words, this way you spend 240 ambrosia to oil one tower essentially forever, instead of the 'normal' 42 days it provides
Display MoreDisplay MoreI am actually considering pulling a leech on him.
I might build multi accounts with sole purpose to nuke his wonders. He has 6 accounts on 6 different poseidon islands, and 7 mobile towns for piracy. Might actually have some effect if he could not use that sweet, sweet speed boost.
Not really ma kind of dirty tactic, but at least this way he might be willing to drop his multies for me dropping mine
So..
You are contemplating on spending your time and effort to build multi accounts to hinder their piracy efforts, when you don't even care about piracy?
Chief, doesn't seem like a good use of your energy.
I don't care about piracy i care about them taking up a space on an island. The best solution would be for them to leave and for me not to deal with piracy. Will see
Maybe you are right. i don't really want to spend too much time and effort afterall.
Carrot is better than stick.
In most scenarios, invoking hostility results in.. hostility. It's like a circle, it neva end!
Failing some well-spirited diplomacy, if their spot swapping is of a clear pattern, you can try your hand at grabbing the spot under their nose.
If all that fails, at some point I think it worthwhile to simply forego that one spot.
A simple polis swap to a piracy fortress does you no harm besides losing the spot itself (as you don't care about piracy) albeit it does open up possibilities for further offense. Keep this in mind if you were to initiate hostility on your behalf.
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Not to frame your lack of preparation, but if you had made multies beforehand (as you were open to making them now to leech) you could've simply closed the extra spots to begin with.
I am actually considering pulling a leech on him.
I might build multi accounts with sole purpose to nuke his wonders. He has 6 accounts on 6 different poseidon islands, and 7 mobile towns for piracy. Might actually have some effect if he could not use that sweet, sweet speed boost.
Not really ma kind of dirty tactic, but at least this way he might be willing to drop his multies for me dropping mine
So..
You are contemplating on spending your time and effort to build multi accounts to hinder their piracy efforts, when you don't even care about piracy?
Chief, doesn't seem like a good use of your energy.
Friendly tip to those that deem helios oil too expensive/etc.
As multiaccounting is allowed within the ruleset, make a multi account that buys oil and continuously graveyard and re-install said multi to your server.
You pay for the quantity of oil once, and as a donation it refreshes from graveyard.
.. tedious, yes, but cost-effective!
It seems some of my resources were allocated to your account.
Please inquire within where to ship the extra millions worth 
Huge thank you for bringing this to attention;
One of my accounts that is yet to merge is also forklifting, and now I can try to make some adjustments to avoid the possible impact.
Hopefully they sort this situation right for you.
Display MoreTake a higher level town sporting 5000 population.
They turn off the production to gold mode, generating 15 000 gold an hour.
You, as an occupier, getting 1500 or 3000 gold an hour is doing pretty much nothing fo
If you occupy 10 towns of somebody in gold mode this would result in you having an extra town or 2 (assuming they ignore you completely and you have only token garrisons). not so insignificant if you ask me 15000 - 30000 gold an hour EXTRA is a lot (it is 1000 less than i make an hour in all of my towns combined, and i have Plutus active in shrine). Anything over 20 % would be too excessive for me.
The person in gold mode would still earn money, although less of it, and you would get a compensation for him refusing to fight, since that was the original problem, that you can go in gold mode and suffer no consequences.
It cannot be much more than that, otherwise it would make it impossible for the one attacked to reasonably defend against you. not talking about gold mode, but normal accounts. if you would earn 50% less gold for example, and the attacker spends his 50% stolen from you on maintaining garrison. you only have 50% of the gold amount than him to spend on military. So if you actually want to fight back it is an uphill battle, especially if you are smaller player.
I do not think 15k to 30k to be anything but insignificant, very small drops in an ocean, but this is merely a matter of perspective.
I do agree that the defender should not suffer an increasingly uphill battle.
However, the middle ground you tried to approach with this suggestion does not hit its mark in my opinion.
It's not punishing enough for the punishment-driven crowd, or rewarding enough for the proactive crowd.
My ever so humble take (even if dramatic in its ultimatum) is this iteration does not add enough impact for either attacker or defender, and might as well not exist entirely.
Then again, I'm hard to please, I guess.
