(not a bug) Cost reduction buildings not working properly

    Hi, Pangaia 3 player here. Not sure if it's intended, but Carpenter and such buildings aren't working as intended.


    Lets take for example I want to upgrade my academy to lvl 21.


    In the "help" section it's costing 63,496 wood and 91,516 crystal


    In that city i got lvl 41 carpenter and 36 optic, meaning i get 55% and 50% discount, respectively,


    So it should cost 28,573 wood and 45,758 crystal.


    But in the game it shows 33,224 wood and 53,207 crystal.


    Now lets take the 14% reduction from resources applying first, before the building reduction.


    Then it should cost 32,217 wood and 50,370 crystal


    Please look at it and thank you :*

    maybe you can thing this is strange ( for me it is strange ), but in the HELP section , the reduction by your Carpenter or by any else building , IS COUNTED YET

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    Quote from Luky

    but in the HELP section , the reduction by your Carpenter or by any else building , IS COUNTED YET

    Please do not post wrong info.


    In the Help section you see the values already after deducting any researches.

    Next, the building effects reduce the building costs from their basic costs (before deducting researches).

    Quote from Luky

    maybe you can thing this is strange ( for me it is strange ), but in the HELP section , the reduction by your Carpenter or by any else building , IS COUNTED YET

    It shouldn't because the reduction depends on your building level and there it stays as a fixed number. Idk if it secretly increased a little the costs or the building are just not working properly

    Quote from Draxo
    Quote from Luky

    but in the HELP section , the reduction by your Carpenter or by any else building , IS COUNTED YET

    Please do not post wrong info.


    In the Help section you see the values already after deducting any researches.

    Next, the building effects reduce the building costs from their basic costs (before deducting researches).

    So it's the second way i wrote? Still a litlle more expensive than it should be, no?

    In the help section the building cost include the reduction from research(14%).


    So if in the help section a building have 86 wood, the unreduced cost is 100 wood.


    In order to get the unreduced costs for any building just divide each cost from the help section by 0.86 (if you have research the 14% total reduction).

    86 wood/0.86 = 100 wood (the unreduced cost)

    Quote from Draxo
    Quote from Luky

    but in the HELP section , the reduction by your Carpenter or by any else building , IS COUNTED YET

    Please do not post wrong info.


    In the Help section you see the values already after deducting any researches.

    Next, the building effects reduce the building costs from their basic costs (before deducting researches).

    This is YOUR answer , when i have got the same problem ...

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    It's not like that. I applied your formula to the example building. Got that following your criteria it should cost 58,570 crystal, while in game it's less resources

    Can you tell me the lvl of your research in each category?


    Answer to this and i will explain to you how to calculate.

    what I mean is that you (like me) thought you would find in the HELP section some basic absolute values to which to apply the reductions due to the bonuses accrued in game.

    But is not so.

    The values you read are already reduced .. how and why maybe Draxo explains it well.

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    I have max research on all, so 14%

    Quote from Luky

    what I mean is that you (like me) thought you would find in the HELP section some basic absolute values to which to apply the reductions due to the bonuses accrued in game.

    But is not so.

    The values you read are already reduced .. how and why maybe Draxo explains it well.

    I tried to calculate from different scenarios, but noone got the exact result, so idk if im missing something, but in the carpenter it shows a 55% discount. If it doesnt apply like that they should change it, because it has less value than expected

    Ok.


    Academy on lvl 21 in the help section have the following costs:

    63,496 wood 91,516 crystal


    /0.86(divide by 0.86)

    73,832 wood 106,413 crystal


    Carpenther 41 and optic 36 -> 55% wood reduction and 50% crystal reduction


    The cost for you to upgrade the building is:
    73,832 wood * (1 - 0.55) = 33,224 wood

    106,413 crystal * (1 - 0.5) = 53,206 crystal


    +- 1 wood/crystal, cause there are some round ups which I didn't make


    You can also check the numbers on the wiki page:

    https://ikariam.fandom.com/wiki/Building:Academy

    Okay that's right, but its still unintuitive, didn't have to work like this, like they charge almost 14% more for no reason, makes reserach almost useless, or they should change the help section costs

    I agree that the help section is pretty useless as it is right now, cause no one want to know the cost with reduced research because is hard to calculate.


    I don't use the help section, I just use the wiki page.


    I hope in the future updates they show us the basic cost in the help section.

    Quote from Strange

    I agree that the help section is pretty useless as it is right now, cause no one want to know the cost with reduced research because is hard to calculate.


    I don't use the help section, I just use the wiki page.


    I hope in the future updates they show us the basic cost in the help section.

    Yeah, they can as well reduce the price to the help value, no one would complain :P