Revitalizing Ikariam

Quote from Luky

My idea to prevent people from spending disproportionately and having many legal ( or not legal ) accounts to support donations (and eliminate multiple accounts...) is this

The game must become individualistic.

Mines must produce for each player according to what he only has donated.

Even the temple and miracles must only have an effect on those who have donated and in proportionality to how much they have donated.

There are many other things, but for me, the most important place to start is this.

Display More

To understand if the suggestion is valid, the only solution would be to translate it into a server...

Example:

An ARES server could be created with this special feature:

A

The mines yield according to how much is donated (obviously reviewing the amounts to be donated for each level)

B

The miracle level of the island will work only and exclusively for each individual player based on the level of priests placed in their temple

Make transfers from normal servers to this new server optional and free... and see what happens

If it works, the idea can be extended to other servers

Or you could simply give players this gaming style option with this special server, keeping the other servers unchanged

Quote from Cheech

Im almost convinced your badidols burner account ahaha

Anyway, the issue is these problems have been allowed to develop for years, separating the people from the well-developed problem would be hard.

If you take general banks away, there will be outrage. If you take multi-accounting away, there will be outrage. If you implement negative resource / debt mines, there will ben outrage. Gold banks take longer to transfer - there was already outrage for that and what they introduced wasn't even a solution, just a harder to exploit measure. Even altering ambro prices will cause outrage. People sometimes put years into their ikariam plan, removing stuff will only loose what population ikariam has left. Thats why a new server to impliment stuff would work perfect, people aren't loosing anything, they are just developing with altered rules.

The test server is basically what is ideal being stand-alone and separate but id explain the problems with that. First, its years old, account are massive. Second, i heard it started with unlimited ambro, then they removed ambro entirely. So we got an unfair development for sure. Also since you can't purchase ambro, its profit it none. Keeping players there isn't beneficial unless the players can benefit themselves, and i will explain why they can't. So the statement from the manager was you were to treat test server like any other server, it's rules apply, which basically limits its testing ability but thats fine. Then, after me attacking a person, he defended with about 15 accounts all not IP-shared and i reported with evidence. The funny part is in the ticket system, the admins said 'This is a loose server and not connected, rules don't apply' - thats not word for word but you get the idea. So there is both enforcement and no enforcement ahahaahahahahahaha. Joke, all of it is a bad joke, i would love to explain this further and name names, honestly. Besides the enforcement issue, there is no benefit to test server. Its slow, everything is standard rate and putting time into it is relatively pointless

Its strange how they have all the right things, just the wrong ideas. My IP adress is my home adress, the same it's been for 3 years btw

Individualistic ikariam and debt mines are interesting ideas, it would be intersting what direction ika is intending to go in

Display More

I'm not. It's mostly that we had a huge back in forth with him in another topic. Plus there's been a few other former GOs/SGOs that I've spoken to about the issue. Obviously, they can't tell me "here is how we look for people cheating" because as soon as you give that away, the cheaters know how they're being detected and change tactics.

It's also one of the problems with banning cheaters in general. If you ban them one at a time, they end up A/B testing how they're getting banned. With a game like Ikariam where there's no up front cost outside of making an account, you can spam A/B testing a lot. If cheaters do get banned, they will also mass appeal their bans, if only to waste support's time, because time spent responding to tickets is generally time that isn't spent trying to catch new bans, plus sometimes the bans are on circumstantial evidence and get overturned.

Everyone always acts like there's a very simple answer to bots because "I can see who is botting" but gathering adequate proof is another matter entirely. It also helps that I had my entire Warcraft guild playing Ikariam at my behest while we raided together so I know that it can be easy to coordinate people to play that simply aren't that invested in their account(s).

I've also studied tons of mmos and other online games. They all end up, invariably, having botting problems because it's a demand side issue. Effectively, the player base is so willing to buy power, especially when the same thing in game is less than their hourly wage.

They're already talking about removing general banks. I'm not sure how it'll be done, but it's going to happen eventually, and I've made a topic and I've linked to the topic already about it.

Again, I've got no idea what flagged you, but I've also heard this tale as old as time. I've simply played so many MMOs were people come out and post how they were innocent then eventually support says no, we detected that you were using X, Y and Z and that you actually violated the rules. (I'm not saying this is or isn't what you did, just pointing out why I'm naturally skeptical.) You could also be a victim of more robotic bot policing which is one of the consequences of that - false detection.

Quote from Riva TnT2 ultra

Quote from User12996

Quote from The crow

The illegal multis are killing this game, that and the fact people are buying and selling accounts and gens and gold and nothing is done about it.

As I've told you before, the difficulty is having solid proof.

You can suspect this and suspect that, which is fine, but it's hard to prove what's going on.

A big problem is that the bad actors immediately move to third party communication.

I've even had to explain to you, multiple times, that a single screenshot without a timestamp isn't proof of anything.

Display More

There are plenty of solid proofs. The problem is somewhere else..

As Mayekawa said, in 1965 among other things " The element that has overshadowed the fundamental principles of modern architecture and distorted its mission is today's morality, which determines human actions and the system of values that lie behind this morality".

That and more were said in "Thoughts on civilization in architecture". Kunio Mayekawa

Display More

None of us can have solid proof about anything. We're unable to see the details that matter: login times, actions, IP addresses, etc. Anything we can observe is circumstantial at best, but most likely coincidental.

Quote from A.A

I like this discussions very much, I didn't start any "in details" threads as per my plan and we already have a lot of ideas about different problems, their effects, the new problems arising from addressing them and even some solutions suggested.

Just a quick answer to User12996, I thought the 36 accounts where all on the same server becaus we were talking about multis and you mentioned 36 accounts, if they are not in the same server they are not considered multis, you should have clarified their distribution, anyway I'm glad you are going by the rules

Now I like to discuss the following quote first becaus it's the most important thing, I hope the devs can read this carefully:

Quote from User12996

Quote from Luky

My idea to prevent people from spending disproportionately and having many legal ( or not legal ) accounts to support donations (and eliminate multiple accounts...) is this

The game must become individualistic.

Mines must produce for each player according to what he only has donated.

Even the temple and miracles must only have an effect on those who have donated and in proportionality to how much they have donated.

There are many other things, but for me, the most important place to start is this.

Display More

IMO, the solution that solves the problem most gracefully is not this, but say account A has donated 1m to both the sawmill and luxury mine.

When account A ghosts, both the sawmill and luxury mine lose 1m in donations, resulting in potential negative donations For the sake of it, let's say both mines had a current donation of 100,000 before the account ghosted. After the account ghosts, both of the mines would be -900,000. The game could also enforce any mine debt to be paid off first before donations can be applied to other mines.

This somewhat gracefully solves the issue because if account A comes back, the account can redonate the 900,000 to both and resolve the debt and any account with an absurd amount of donations can only donate to an island once.

For miracles, you should be able to donate beyond level 5 of the miracle to reduce max faith and max cd as well as the temple levels giving base faith and increasing the faith generated per priest.

Display More

You almost read my mind, I have a very similar idea to fix donating multiple times, let me first clarify why your version would caue a problem:

Creating a dept for the island itself is bad because players tend to chose islands based on their forest and mine levels so if I chose a developed island and build a city there and invest in making it a great city then after a year or two my neighbor/s who made the largest donations goes to the graveyard for good or changes server I'll be unable to upgrade the mines before donating Millions of wood first to pay the dept and it's not uncommon for large players to take a long break from the game, quit or change world.

So how could we adjust the idea? Should we a) give the player no refund for donations at all? Or b) check if he lands to the same islands before giving him the refund?

Of course NOT, because if we do so and the player goes to graveyard and comes back to find some of his islands completely occupied he might need to relocate ALL of his cities to another area so he will need the refund so (a) isn't a valid answer and if some of his cities land on their original islands and we give no refund for those cities he will be losing a large portion of his refund for this cities which he will need when relocating all of his cities.

So the answer is keeping a record of which islands the player donated for and in wich server and create the dept for only the said player and only in the said islands, example for player A:

World[1] {

world = Pangaia 2

island[1]: 52:52 - donations { luxury goods mine = 5M, forest = 3M}

island[2]: 48:53 - donations { luxury goods mine = 3.2M, forest = 100k}

}

note: the programmers can structure this however they see fits.

So when he comes back he would get full refund for his donations as it's the case right now but finds a dept on HIM, and only on HIM:

In island (52:52); luxury goods mine dept = 5M, forest dept = 3M and his donations on the donations list = 0, when he donates 1M to the forest for example his forest dept is reduced to 2M, his donations on the list shows 1M but the current total donations, "available" as the game calls it, and what's required for the next level remains the same until the whole of his dept for this island is paid.

This way we are not forcing other players to pay depts that they aren't responsible for.

Problem: Now we can notice that a player may think: "ok I'll pay the dept of one island then use all the remaining refund to upgrade this island, then go to the graveyard and do the same for another one of my islands."

Solution: Check all the islands on which he has cities right now and if one of them still has dept then he can NOT use the refund to donate for other islands beyond their dept, he can donate to these islands beyond thier dept using real wood only.

This way if the player isn't using one of his old islands he can use exactly the amount he donated for that particular island to donate for the new islands.

This donation records should persist no matter how many times the player goes to the graveyard, only updated, and regardless of which server he transfers to so that if the player changes island, goes to the graveyard, returns to the same server and goes back to the first island to donate for it he will find the dept waiting for him.

Let me know what you think guys and badidol too we didn't hear from the game team yet.

Thanks!

Display More

I know my version would cause a problem, but the problem is intentional because of people using alt accounts with 2000M donation score. Forcing them to donate and then have a debt reduces the utility of those accounts which was the design goal. Yep, some players might get penalized if a large account ghosts but they aren't losing mine levels and can simply choose to pay the debt off or not. As mines are community features, it should be a community debt. Plus, as the mine levels aren't going down, you aren't losing anything anyways, you just have to catch the debt up to the current mine level.

Quote from User12996

Quote from Cheech

Im almost convinced your badidols burner account ahaha

Anyway, the issue is these problems have been allowed to develop for years, separating the people from the well-developed problem would be hard.

If you take general banks away, there will be outrage. If you take multi-accounting away, there will be outrage. If you implement negative resource / debt mines, there will ben outrage. Gold banks take longer to transfer - there was already outrage for that and what they introduced wasn't even a solution, just a harder to exploit measure. Even altering ambro prices will cause outrage. People sometimes put years into their ikariam plan, removing stuff will only loose what population ikariam has left. Thats why a new server to impliment stuff would work perfect, people aren't loosing anything, they are just developing with altered rules.

The test server is basically what is ideal being stand-alone and separate but id explain the problems with that. First, its years old, account are massive. Second, i heard it started with unlimited ambro, then they removed ambro entirely. So we got an unfair development for sure. Also since you can't purchase ambro, its profit it none. Keeping players there isn't beneficial unless the players can benefit themselves, and i will explain why they can't. So the statement from the manager was you were to treat test server like any other server, it's rules apply, which basically limits its testing ability but thats fine. Then, after me attacking a person, he defended with about 15 accounts all not IP-shared and i reported with evidence. The funny part is in the ticket system, the admins said 'This is a loose server and not connected, rules don't apply' - thats not word for word but you get the idea. So there is both enforcement and no enforcement ahahaahahahahahaha. Joke, all of it is a bad joke, i would love to explain this further and name names, honestly. Besides the enforcement issue, there is no benefit to test server. Its slow, everything is standard rate and putting time into it is relatively pointless

Its strange how they have all the right things, just the wrong ideas. My IP adress is my home adress, the same it's been for 3 years btw

Individualistic ikariam and debt mines are interesting ideas, it would be intersting what direction ika is intending to go in

Display More

I'm not. It's mostly that we had a huge back in forth with him in another topic. Plus there's been a few other former GOs/SGOs that I've spoken to about the issue. Obviously, they can't tell me "here is how we look for people cheating" because as soon as you give that away, the cheaters know how they're being detected and change tactics.

It's also one of the problems with banning cheaters in general. If you ban them one at a time, they end up A/B testing how they're getting banned. With a game like Ikariam where there's no up front cost outside of making an account, you can spam A/B testing a lot. If cheaters do get banned, they will also mass appeal their bans, if only to waste support's time, because time spent responding to tickets is generally time that isn't spent trying to catch new bans, plus sometimes the bans are on circumstantial evidence and get overturned.

Everyone always acts like there's a very simple answer to bots because "I can see who is botting" but gathering adequate proof is another matter entirely. It also helps that I had my entire Warcraft guild playing Ikariam at my behest while we raided together so I know that it can be easy to coordinate people to play that simply aren't that invested in their account(s).

I've also studied tons of mmos and other online games. They all end up, invariably, having botting problems because it's a demand side issue. Effectively, the player base is so willing to buy power, especially when the same thing in game is less than their hourly wage.

They're already talking about removing general banks. I'm not sure how it'll be done, but it's going to happen eventually, and I've made a topic and I've linked to the topic already about it.

Again, I've got no idea what flagged you, but I've also heard this tale as old as time. I've simply played so many MMOs were people come out and post how they were innocent then eventually support says no, we detected that you were using X, Y and Z and that you actually violated the rules. (I'm not saying this is or isn't what you did, just pointing out why I'm naturally skeptical.) You could also be a victim of more robotic bot policing which is one of the consequences of that - false detection.

Display More

Thats crazy. So i have actually got back in my server so naturally i'm going to stop complaining. Funny enough, when i said i got banned for botting, someone else said they had this issue and has posted several screenshots of their exchange with the support system also blaming them when they were innocent. This is what? The third guy i've talked to already who has had the same thing happen? But regardless, from other experience i know what flagging it, its not just the heavy online usage but also the 2min30s pirate cycles which explains why my other servers dont get banned. Anyways, all is well, everyone i've spoke to has always been in agreement, i've laughed to all the people i've played with over the years as they know i don't bot. All good and god bless. My time will be re-directed back into ika and not forums

Quote from A.A

Quote from User12996

I know my version would cause a problem, but the problem is intentional because of people using alt accounts with 2000M donation score. Forcing them to donate and then have a debt reduces the utility of those accounts which was the design goal. Yep, some players might get penalized if a large account ghosts but they aren't losing mine levels and can simply choose to pay the debt off or not. As mines are community features, it should be a community debt. Plus, as the mine levels aren't going down, you aren't losing anything anyways, you just have to catch the debt up to the current mine level.

Did you read all the way through what I wrote? Or you just stopped reading and started writing a new reply when you encountered the "your version would cause a problem" part?

Because what I said would get exactly the same effect you want without harming other players!

The only person who would prefer your version would be a backend engineer who doesn't want to implement the extra code out of laziness. That engineer doesn't happen to be you, right?

Now you say "as the mine levels aren't going down, you aren't losing anything anyways" but you are obviously wrong, the player in this case will indeed lose a very important thing which is the ability to upgrade the mines!

The said player may end up paying tens of millions of wood before being able to upgrade his mines again, especially if when sharing more than one island with the removed account.

What will you do then? Give all the guys on the island a free city relocation? Or just keep them unable to upgrade their mines?

Now we can all see what I meant when I said sometimes players request changes but they "Don't take into consideration the the long lasting effects of such changes"

Please read what I wrote again, I know it's a bit lengthy but when you carefully read it you can clearly see that I do achieve your goal while addressing the potential problems.

Display More

Yes. I read everything you wrote and I wrote why I disagreed with it. You want an individual punishment. I want an island wide punishment.

Yes, if it's 10s of millions, then they have to donate 10s of millions and then they can upgrade the mines. That's just how it works. If you don't like it, guess what? You can also ghost your account, too.

I am considering the long lasting effects of these changes and I believe that these changes would be better for the game overall, especially since mines aren't capped at 60/60 anymore.

I'll enumerate why now.

1. With the way donation accounts are used, this punishes you for ghosting them. You don't lose the mine levels, but you do have a huge donation debt. That means large donation accounts can only go once per island. With your solution, they can, too, but the users of the donation accounts still benefit as long as the account doesn't come back to the same island.

2. It does not require any additional data to be saved. When a player is deleted from an island, their donations are negated, but mine levels stay the same.

3. The mines can still be upgraded, you simply have to donate the debt off.

4. Islands with debt can have a special warning symbol on the mines that can be hovered to elaborate how much debt is present.

Honestly, I'd take the status quo over your solution. Assuming I'm a "lazy programmer" because I want a different solution certainly is a choice of words lol.

Quote from Cheech

Quote from User12996

Quote from Cheech

Im almost convinced your badidols burner account ahaha

Anyway, the issue is these problems have been allowed to develop for years, separating the people from the well-developed problem would be hard.

If you take general banks away, there will be outrage. If you take multi-accounting away, there will be outrage. If you implement negative resource / debt mines, there will ben outrage. Gold banks take longer to transfer - there was already outrage for that and what they introduced wasn't even a solution, just a harder to exploit measure. Even altering ambro prices will cause outrage. People sometimes put years into their ikariam plan, removing stuff will only loose what population ikariam has left. Thats why a new server to impliment stuff would work perfect, people aren't loosing anything, they are just developing with altered rules.

The test server is basically what is ideal being stand-alone and separate but id explain the problems with that. First, its years old, account are massive. Second, i heard it started with unlimited ambro, then they removed ambro entirely. So we got an unfair development for sure. Also since you can't purchase ambro, its profit it none. Keeping players there isn't beneficial unless the players can benefit themselves, and i will explain why they can't. So the statement from the manager was you were to treat test server like any other server, it's rules apply, which basically limits its testing ability but thats fine. Then, after me attacking a person, he defended with about 15 accounts all not IP-shared and i reported with evidence. The funny part is in the ticket system, the admins said 'This is a loose server and not connected, rules don't apply' - thats not word for word but you get the idea. So there is both enforcement and no enforcement ahahaahahahahahaha. Joke, all of it is a bad joke, i would love to explain this further and name names, honestly. Besides the enforcement issue, there is no benefit to test server. Its slow, everything is standard rate and putting time into it is relatively pointless

Its strange how they have all the right things, just the wrong ideas. My IP adress is my home adress, the same it's been for 3 years btw

Individualistic ikariam and debt mines are interesting ideas, it would be intersting what direction ika is intending to go in

Display More

I'm not. It's mostly that we had a huge back in forth with him in another topic. Plus there's been a few other former GOs/SGOs that I've spoken to about the issue. Obviously, they can't tell me "here is how we look for people cheating" because as soon as you give that away, the cheaters know how they're being detected and change tactics.

It's also one of the problems with banning cheaters in general. If you ban them one at a time, they end up A/B testing how they're getting banned. With a game like Ikariam where there's no up front cost outside of making an account, you can spam A/B testing a lot. If cheaters do get banned, they will also mass appeal their bans, if only to waste support's time, because time spent responding to tickets is generally time that isn't spent trying to catch new bans, plus sometimes the bans are on circumstantial evidence and get overturned.

Everyone always acts like there's a very simple answer to bots because "I can see who is botting" but gathering adequate proof is another matter entirely. It also helps that I had my entire Warcraft guild playing Ikariam at my behest while we raided together so I know that it can be easy to coordinate people to play that simply aren't that invested in their account(s).

I've also studied tons of mmos and other online games. They all end up, invariably, having botting problems because it's a demand side issue. Effectively, the player base is so willing to buy power, especially when the same thing in game is less than their hourly wage.

They're already talking about removing general banks. I'm not sure how it'll be done, but it's going to happen eventually, and I've made a topic and I've linked to the topic already about it.

Again, I've got no idea what flagged you, but I've also heard this tale as old as time. I've simply played so many MMOs were people come out and post how they were innocent then eventually support says no, we detected that you were using X, Y and Z and that you actually violated the rules. (I'm not saying this is or isn't what you did, just pointing out why I'm naturally skeptical.) You could also be a victim of more robotic bot policing which is one of the consequences of that - false detection.

Display More

Thats crazy. So i have actually got back in my server so naturally i'm going to stop complaining. Funny enough, when i said i got banned for botting, someone else said they had this issue and has posted several screenshots of their exchange with the support system also blaming them when they were innocent. This is what? The third guy i've talked to already who has had the same thing happen? But regardless, from other experience i know what flagging it, its not just the heavy online usage but also the 2min30s pirate cycles which explains why my other servers dont get banned. Anyways, all is well, everyone i've spoke to has always been in agreement, i've laughed to all the people i've played with over the years as they know i don't bot. All good and god bless. My time will be re-directed back into ika and not forums

Display More

Look, I'm sorry I doubted you and that you were wrongly flagged as a bot. I certainly didn't say it couldn't happen, but the problem is that a lot of people will come and complain about getting banned when they deserved it so it's extremely hard to know who is telling the truth.

I thought it was well known that doing a lot of sequential 2m30s pirate runs does make you look like a bot, and they're pretty aggressive about banning for that.

I'm glad it was all a misunderstanding.

Quote from User12996

Quote from Riva TnT2 ultra

Quote from User12996

Quote from The crow

The illegal multis are killing this game, that and the fact people are buying and selling accounts and gens and gold and nothing is done about it.

As I've told you before, the difficulty is having solid proof.

You can suspect this and suspect that, which is fine, but it's hard to prove what's going on.

A big problem is that the bad actors immediately move to third party communication.

I've even had to explain to you, multiple times, that a single screenshot without a timestamp isn't proof of anything.

Display More

There are plenty of solid proofs. The problem is somewhere else..

As Mayekawa said, in 1965 among other things " The element that has overshadowed the fundamental principles of modern architecture and distorted its mission is today's morality, which determines human actions and the system of values that lie behind this morality".

That and more were said in "Thoughts on civilization in architecture". Kunio Mayekawa

Display More

None of us can have solid proof about anything. We're unable to see the details that matter: login times, actions, IP addresses, etc. Anything we can observe is circumstantial at best, but most likely coincidental.

Display More

No we can not. But when someone is getting Gold and Army in a matter of minutes, (or it is increasing on time, without a normal ratio) they could suspend the account or at least to disable the attacking features until they check it out.

They can make rules for all these, but they don't. As example, when someone have a X amount of Gold or and Army, they should not attack people with .."Normal" army or gold. Otherwise is a violation.

A simple rule.. but no.

Quote from Riva TnT2 ultra

Quote from User12996

Quote from Riva TnT2 ultra

Quote from User12996

Quote from The crow

The illegal multis are killing this game, that and the fact people are buying and selling accounts and gens and gold and nothing is done about it.

As I've told you before, the difficulty is having solid proof.

You can suspect this and suspect that, which is fine, but it's hard to prove what's going on.

A big problem is that the bad actors immediately move to third party communication.

I've even had to explain to you, multiple times, that a single screenshot without a timestamp isn't proof of anything.

Display More

There are plenty of solid proofs. The problem is somewhere else..

As Mayekawa said, in 1965 among other things " The element that has overshadowed the fundamental principles of modern architecture and distorted its mission is today's morality, which determines human actions and the system of values that lie behind this morality".

That and more were said in "Thoughts on civilization in architecture". Kunio Mayekawa

Display More

None of us can have solid proof about anything. We're unable to see the details that matter: login times, actions, IP addresses, etc. Anything we can observe is circumstantial at best, but most likely coincidental.

Display More

No we can not. But when someone is getting Gold and Army in a matter of minutes, (or it is increasing on time, without a normal ratio) they could suspend the account or at least to disable the attacking features until they check it out.

They can make rules for all these, but they don't. As example, when someone have a X amount of Gold or and Army, they should not attack people with .."Normal" army or gold. Otherwise is a violation.

A simple rule.. but no.

Display More

How is this different than regular trading or an alliance building a general bank?

Can you raise 3 Billions of Gold and 1.5 Million of troops in some minutes?

Can you raise 200K of Army in some minutes and also get 25 Million in some minutes.

With General Bank, you have to spend.. something. Not Raise everything up

Quote from Riva TnT2 ultra

Can you raise 3 Billions of Gold and 1.5 Million of troops in some minutes?

Can you raise 200K of Army in some minutes and also get 25 Million in some minutes.

With General Bank, you have to spend.. something. Not Raise everything up

It depends on how many traders are ongoing at one time.

As the trading post has effectively an unlimited amount of offers that can be made and freighters exist, yes, you can see wild swings.

For example, someone with a general bank could have people simultaneously buying troops for a high price while turning around and selling those troops for a low cost.

While it would be unlikely for it to fluctuate by billions, the way the score updates in game is every X minutes so in that time frame a large fluctuation could happen.

If you see something like that happen that looks suspicious, I'd advise you to use the in game button "Report Player" and report them.

Additionally, if you are taking screenshots, make sure to take screenshots with the server time in them so they reflect the change over time.

When I was the leader of a large alliance, I frequently was at the top of the trading score. I'd sell wood/wine/etc to my alliance mates that functioned as donation farms for max price and I'd buy marble from them at the lowest price.

Suspicious like this?

If yes, the Report button, doesn't work. It's for the sightseeing

Untill they put a stop to this then this game is finished. Im watching guys gens and gold jump by billions in an hour.

Quote from The crow

Untill they put a stop to this then this game is finished. Im watching guys gens and gold jump by billions in an hour.

Heisen******	Message	Polis [**:**]	30.10.2025 17:36:46
Join the #1 Group IKA LEGENDS - on Discord app! Did you know there is a place that you can find everything you need? Learn all the unknown tricks? Ask friends and allies! They heard of us! Here you can find: - Ambrosia & Accs - Generals, Gold, Donations - Spartans , Resources - Piracy Points Services - All-in-One unique Scripting Services Big Giveaways and events coming! We celebrate our 3 years! Join Discord here: https://discord.gg/**********

Display More

The strange thing is that the IKARIAM staff prefers DISCORD to the official forum ( which no longer even has a link on the game screen...).

Perhaps it would have been better if everything related to the game had remained solely and exclusively on the official forum...

Quote from The crow

Untill they put a stop to this then this game is finished. Im watching guys gens and gold jump by billions in an hour.

Heisen******	Message	Polis [**:**]	30.10.2025 17:36:46
Join the #1 Group IKA LEGENDS - on Discord app! Did you know there is a place that you can find everything you need? Learn all the unknown tricks? Ask friends and allies! They heard of us! Here you can find: - Ambrosia & Accs - Generals, Gold, Donations - Spartans , Resources - Piracy Points Services - All-in-One unique Scripting Services Big Giveaways and events coming! We celebrate our 3 years! Join Discord here: https://discord.gg/**********

Display More

No. The game is not finished. On the contrary, is in it's best.

Players now are in the mood of ..

"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine. Now let's see how well you handle it"

(don't scratch your head. I am giving you the answer )

https://youtube.com/shorts/cBdeF14G1VM?si=k6UeFWzYqPnjvLP_

Quote from Riva TnT2 ultra

Suspicious like this?

If yes, the Report button, doesn't work. It's for the sightseeing

Display More

What's suspicious about swiping?

Obviously, they bought ambro and spent that to get resources and then sold the resources for gold.

Quote from Luky

My idea to prevent people from spending disproportionately and having many legal ( or not legal ) accounts to support donations (and eliminate multiple accounts...) is this

The game must become individualistic.

Mines must produce for each player according to what he only has donated.

Even the temple and miracles must only have an effect on those who have donated and in proportionality to how much they have donated.

There are many other things, but for me, the most important place to start is this.

Display More

That's not a bad idea. Online games are not as exciting as they used to be in the past. There are a lot of people who whine for silly things (when you attack your neighbor or someone else for their resources), there are the retards who think they rule the game (the bullies) and those who love to cheat with codes and tricks.

The old Ikariam was good, one player per server, and the mess this game has become cannot be undone. If the game becomes individualistic, we won't have to deal with these people and spend 24 hours in front of the screen. Ares servers can be online for those who like to fight non stop. This is not the only game that sucks, many games out there are impossible to play for the same motives.

If you want to pillage, attack the barbarians. If you don't, no problem, but at least you are not going to get attacked by a whale. I would come back playing if this game had these features.