Der Kater 
you really are funny. did you just started a war on your own schedule and your own rules without discussing it with the other party or giving preparation time ? That is a dumb move. that skirmish attacks are not called alliance war. someone attacks you you attack them, either they stop or it should be escalated to a war that is supervised by rules that has been agreed on by both parties. 
i have read your only three war declaration on the forum and they all seem to have the same thing
It is non of my business. just a thought. 
good luck guys
War declaration: -SF- contra BSQ / P_BY
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- War Declaration
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- Pangaia 4
- Der Kater
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I can't open this. Send me screenshots.
did you just started a war on your own schedule and your own rules without discussing it with the other party or giving preparation time ? That is a dumb move
No, thats a smart move. The last time, we discussed the war time settings with the enemy, the enemy abused our trust and goodwill. That was on a german server tho, but that doesnt matter. No way, we are ever doing the same mistake again. And actually, its a "tactical masterperformance", to declare a war without previous consultation of the enemy, as my opponents in germany would call it.
And BSQ is a war alliance who should not be trembling and emotional unsafe, when they get a war. Or, they arent a war alliance at all. If you are a fighter, you pick a fight and not complain. BSQ is one of the strongest teams of this map, along with aVe. We didnt went against defenseless noobs. We went against the big fish, who as well is more than double as large as we are. Stop crying.
that skirmish attacks are not called alliance war.
Youre right. And many teams dont react, when their members are under attack. This might be your game standard, because you never have been in a team which defends each other. However, we are else. We arent an alliance which writes dangerous stuff at our homepage and with no danger behind it. We are actually delivering what we say. And who attacks us, has to reckon with fire. Especially, as we announced in forums, that we will invade the server. We even got contact to the inofficial PAN-4 discord chat, and informed everyone there.
Everyone, who keeps himself updated, was able to prepare, and it should be clear, that if a war alliance enters a server under the "invasion" topic, that it searches for someone to make a brawl with, at least, for the first time. And yes. We were like "we are waiting, if anyone attacks us, and, if not, then we will search an enemy". We even thought about provoking in piracy for finding a "first enemy"; well, then we might have gotten aVe; those would probably have behaved more like an actual combat alliance. Turns out, the greeks are actually nice people; and be aware of those who are nice and diplomatic, because those actually have more power behind their back than those who brag and intimidate.
However, when you are fine with your team not reacting to attacks, then you should question yourself, if youre in the correct team at first. We would declare war to the Satan (devil of christianity), if he would attack one of our comrades. We would also declare to the weakest traders team, if they would attack us. No matter, who attacks us, there are consequences. Thats part of the game.
Also, when you cant live with the consequences of an attack, just dont attack. There is a reason, why two teams of PAN4 have been on our no-attack list: aVe and BSQ. Because we accessed both to be the strongest. Now, there is only one team remaining, on the no-attack list
But dont worry: After this stuff here, we will stop our attacks on BSQ again, because we dont bully anyone; but we wont make peace right now, only, because the enemy doesnt want a war and questions our war reasons.
i have read your only three war declaration on the forum and they all seem to have the same thing
Since this forum deletes war declarations after time, and since this is the 2nd forum of Ikariam, we fought over 30 wars yet; most on german servers tho. And yes. Its all the same thing. Either, we are being provoked, or, we declared for fun. Thats a legitimate playstyle. On EN-Kronos, we declared on your team unprovoked, out of fun. And is it forbidden? Are we being banned? War is part of the game.
Many teams and/or players claim for themselves, that they are fighers and wolves, but arent. We are one of those few, who actually are. And I guess aVe is as well; and I thought the same for BSQ. But Im not that sure anymore for them. After so much whining (which also started one week after our first attacks; their communication is excellent
). Stalwart fighters are not complaining, when a war breaks out. But we already got, what we wanted Dont worry. -
Someone of the biggest whiners and cryers in this forum, can cry even more, when they log in. There is something big happening right now
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What is this? An " i don't like the war" crying session?!
Attacks carelessly, gets a war, comes here cry and complain?
Well, so comes f consequences mates, it is what it is.
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What is this? An " i don't like the war" crying session?!
Attacks carelessly, gets a war, comes here cry and complain?
Well, so comes f consequences mates, it is what it is.
Do you think this is all too bad? Give upExactly. But its always the succumbing party which is crying. Like Yörük got himself whooped a second time within a week. No wonder, that his only "weapons" are complaining about the attacks. But its only a part of the game. Reports later, its massive. But for now, lets just bring this:
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You made a big difference in points!
The question arises: why do we only see 4 SF members in the logs, and the vast majority of those reports are from the leader, while the alliance has 20 members?
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Does Der Kater know why you look like clowns? I'll tell you what it looks like from the outside:
This server died two years ago. No one's fighting on the server, everyone has plenty of resources because no one's fighting.
You prepare for three months! Three months!
And without warning, you start a war lasting three weeks! You attack, and of course, you manage to steal a lot of resources because the server was dormant for two years, and no one expected it.
You record this loot as war points and think you're cool.
But everyone understands that you just look like clowns. Your points mean nothing.
You could have waged a decent war: declared war at least a month in advance. And then your points would have been fair and deserved. But you were afraid of losing. But that's not victory. This is ridiculous. Keep going, clowns.
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Why don't you just start fighting back as well? I agree it is not the best start from SF ( honestly speaking ) But are you not going to fight back ? I see the score differences in dmg is huge, not only resources.
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You made a big difference in points!
The question arises: why do we only see 4 SF members in the logs, and the vast majority of those reports are from the leader, while the alliance has 20 members?
Youre correct in what you say. However, we dont require everyone to be fighting actively in every war, especially, since multiple comrades have fought on another world just shortly before this war. This is why it is totally okay for me.
Anyways, in 3 or 5 months, there will be a new charge of recruits coming, because they do progress at our training server. Because you are correctly pointing out as well, that we arent sustainable in our active comradecy yet. This is why we still recruit people. But we prefer to recruit them by ourselves, instead of just taking influx of other teams. Its the long and difficult, but sustainable way. In my team here today, everyone (except 2 mercenaries) was recruited and taught by me myself, as I found them as rookies. By the way, thats the reason, why attempts of foreign teams, to woo my comrades away, didnt worked yet so far.
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FINAL STATS:
-SF- vs. P_BY (+75.447,84 GP Advantage):
FINAL STAT -SF- P_BY Ratio GP 56.755,4 9.118,2 86,2% Ress 1.390.532 - 100,0% Total 84.566,04 9.118,2 90,3% -SF- vs. BSQ (+207.990,92 GP Advantage):
FINAL STAT -SF- BSQ Ratio GP 145.669 61.738,6 70,2% Ress 6.203.026 - 100,0% Total 269.729,52 61.738,6 81,4%
Source: All public combat reportsDear players, dear foes, dear comrades;
We declared this war to a) take revenge and post a sign that we cant be attacked without consequences, and b) to prove ourselves as we are newbees to the server. We reached both objectives. We thank the enemies for the good battles and we know, that they are strong. We respect them and we will continue to respect them in the future.
There were prior announcements for ongoing attacks could occur upon us. We are aware and we take it how it comes. However, the stats show, that it wouldnt really make sense for our contraries to wage some attacks upon us anymore. I now told my own people to stop their attacks on BSQ and P_BY alliances. And we will see, which teams could be our next target. But for now, we will start to build up again.
We wish everyone fun in the game.
Yours, The Warrior/Der Kater
Chancellor of -SF-
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Will we continue this thread in the future or will it be closed soon?
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and we are also too lazy to make reports on the forum, we will ask you to do it for us. We will send you logs via private messages in the game
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and we are also too lazy to make reports on the forum, we will ask you to do it for us. We will send you logs via private messages in the game
You can send me the links ingame or at discord. I can post them.
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You made a big difference in points!
The question arises: why do we only see 4 SF members in the logs, and the vast majority of those reports are from the leader, while the alliance has 20 members?
Why only 4 members? Honestly, i mean, did we need more... And then again, at a large enough ratio, wouldnt you agree it makes sense pursuing guilty players more than just optimizing for points? We don't wage war for nothing, its all been called for, no point in wasting the moment (you would think) they cant cry injustice from being attacked.
Display MoreDoes Der Kater know why you look like clowns? I'll tell you what it looks like from the outside:
This server died two years ago. No one's fighting on the server, everyone has plenty of resources because no one's fighting.
You prepare for three months! Three months!
And without warning, you start a war lasting three weeks! You attack, and of course, you manage to steal a lot of resources because the server was dormant for two years, and no one expected it.
You record this loot as war points and think you're cool.
But everyone understands that you just look like clowns. Your points mean nothing.
You could have waged a decent war: declared war at least a month in advance. And then your points would have been fair and deserved. But you were afraid of losing. But that's not victory. This is ridiculous. Keep going, clowns.
The server (in which your guild were actively attacking) is dead, you were all unprepared (despite having more of everything, armies, gold, miracles, players), and complain about being punished with looting (which most clearly avoided, so a clear skill issue)?
You guys were attacking, this is consequences (absolutely predictable consequence, by the way, getting blindsided is on you guys). Now, dont you like your hand? then give me the "unprepared" accounts that have more of everything - see if the war goes better for you. Or angry about being pillaged? Stop running away with the armies - I will pillage if you avoid battle, and you will lose resource if you have a skill issue.
Brother at one point you need to stop crying wolf, its not like you guys didnt provoke it, or had absolutely every advantage. its over.
