Passive Defence

I recommend not to stop playing my friend,

Take advantage of this time he is attacking to collect gold, use the scorched earth strategy of the Russians in the Napoleonic wars of the scorched earth, stop producing and collect gold only and if you have troops, take it from your cities, return the attacks only when he is not online stealing it!



We already have a game with more and more abandonment, and then some like this arrive to make more old players stop,

If you don't have time to fight back there are really only three options:
- Save gold until you are no longer interesting to him

- Join an alliance, usually there is players who like to help

- Beam away. Either with ambro or go into graveyard mode (e.g. dont play for two months), and place your cities somewhere else on the map or even on another server.

You could also suppress the wonder if you share islands but that most likely backfires if your neighbors dont take your site on the issue.

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I have been playing this game since 2008. I played actively at the highest level until a few years ago. Now, I simply can't. I still like this game and I love developing buildings, but real life allows me to play a maximum of a few hours a week.

I play on my islands with my long-time friends without bothering anyone. We don't attack anyone, the temples are at 100% and donations are abundant. But, for some time now, there is a player near me who has decided that I must stop playing and attacks me day and night stealing all the resources I produce. Playing like this is not fun.

Now, I wanted to discuss this problem with you and understand how to deal with it. And I'm not talking about the player in question because I ended up blocking him in game and on other messagging apps. I can't defend myself from looting with troops because I can't manage the battles. And the resources protected in the warehouses are negligible: 76 thousand protected out of 30 million capacity and an hourly production of 4 + 3 thousand.

I would like this game to have the possibility to develop a passive defense, which includes (but is not limited to):

(*) more protected resources, also with new dedicated buildings.

(*) automatic mechanisms for protecting resources in case of attacks

(*) buildings that act as looting inhibitors: traps that block troops or towers that destroy troops (the walls get pierced in 1 round without doing damage)

(*) mechanisms to avoid being looted in general.

I would like to know your opinion on this.

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perseus server is like this with a handfull of guys running the 2 top alliances and dozens of multis each.Unless you have 20 hours a day to fight non stop and a half a million gen score it's a waste of time trying to play and players are dropping like flys on the new perseus server we merged to.We have spent weeks dropping a guys gens from 700,000 to 50,000 only to watch him get that gen score back in 5 minutes and they do the same thing with gold. People have been reporting it a long time but they ignore it and will close any topic mentioning it.I also have been playing since the game started and now it's unplayable.

Way to go gameforge.

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If you don't have time to fight back there are really only three options:
- Save gold until you are no longer interesting to him

- Join an alliance, usually there is players who like to help

- Beam away. Either with ambro or go into graveyard mode (e.g. dont play for two months), and place your cities somewhere else on the map or even on another server.

You could also suppress the wonder if you share islands but that most likely backfires if your neighbors dont take your site on the issue.

Also, instead of going into strictly gold mode, you can go into gold and wood mode and simply log on and donate all of your wood twice a day.

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If you don't have time to fight back there are really only three options:
- Save gold until you are no longer interesting to him

- Join an alliance, usually there is players who like to help

- Beam away. Either with ambro or go into graveyard mode (e.g. dont play for two months), and place your cities somewhere else on the map or even on another server.

You could also suppress the wonder if you share islands but that most likely backfires if your neighbors dont take your site on the issue.

Also, instead of going into strictly gold mode, you can go into gold and wood mode and simply log on and donate all of your wood twice a day.

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yes,that sounds like so much fun. Why even play if that's all you can do? Maybe gameforge should return this game to the state it was meant to be played.

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If you don't have time to fight back there are really only three options:
- Save gold until you are no longer interesting to him

- Join an alliance, usually there is players who like to help

- Beam away. Either with ambro or go into graveyard mode (e.g. dont play for two months), and place your cities somewhere else on the map or even on another server.

You could also suppress the wonder if you share islands but that most likely backfires if your neighbors dont take your site on the issue.

Also, instead of going into strictly gold mode, you can go into gold and wood mode and simply log on and donate all of your wood twice a day.

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yes,that sounds like so much fun. Why even play if that's all you can do? Maybe gameforge should return this game to the state it was meant to be played.

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I mean, I don't know what to tell you. This is someone who makes a lot of resources and doesn't have a lot of time to play. Outside of diplomacy and the other recommendations, there's not much else you can do. What do you recommend they do? Quit because they don't have time to protect their resources?

I experience the same. I prefer the building and resource management side as core gameplay rather than continuous battles (but the battle system is undeniably also good). But there's this person on my island that attacks everyone continuously and all of us near him are just taking turns going into vmode. He bullies everyone - pillages, occupation, port blocking. He's online most of the time and has multis so it's just sad for us that don't have multis and that amount of time.

Now, I'm just upgrading warehouses and piling up gold. It's boring but that's how it is. +480 loot storage on warehouses is just too small. I'm thinking of some new mechanics for non-fighter players but I believe our ideas here won't do much as there's a long list of things needed to be fixed in-game and they're fixing them very slowly.

Still, this is my idea:
The concept is to have a building that uses Sulfur so builders would have a way of using Sulfur.
New Building: Police Station
• Adds loot storage and improves resource production in exchange of sulfur per hour.
• Maybe around +1000 loot storage and 1% resource production per increase in the slider (like how the tavern slider works).
• Every building upgrade gives small passive satisfied citizens. It costs wood, sulfur, and only a bit of marble to upgrade.
• The concept is that in real life, police is supposed to help anyone in need. Accidents, theft prevention, traffic, anything that citizens need to have more order in the city. In Ikariam this improves loot storage, workers' productivity, and citizens' welfare.

Maybe to balance the game for the fighters, the upkeep during battles would be reduced from x2 to x1.8 or something.

It seems like the way the game is now with so many bully alliances that only play to wipe out anyone and everyone including noobs that you have to go into full defence mode and do a few things to survive.

As a guy that has played since the game started and had maybe 3 years not in a server war I will share a few tips and you may have to change gameplay style a bit.

Some of these are my tips and some are from Deliverance who is probably the best fighter on every server he has been on.

4 warehouses at level 40,keep building as you can after 40 but the wall should also be super high like 45 plus. You want to manage it so if you get pillaged they get 1 log and that kinda makes me smile when i do that.

Huge spyshacks in every town. level 32 still makes it hard to be spied but higher the better.

For the new upgrades....none of it makes sense and my alliance now is in a server war with 2 very large alliances where the guys run half a million gens each and I have seen every combination of upgraded and non upgraded and it still has the fighters shaking their heads but one thing i will say is those lowly rams that save your mortars should be at 10x10.

Your hops will thank you.

Keep a slinger, a spear and a ram in every town. This can make them go to a couple rounds and if you have a huge wall 3 rounds. 30 gyros and 15 baloons in each town will also kill their mortars on first round but some send rams first to see if you have them. Couple with a big wall if they cant break it they will have to send more and then you are starting to cost to pillage.

If they pillage and get nothing they will move on.

Their dirty tricks to if the bully is only one on your island like nerfing his miracle.

It doesn't sound like this is a bully alliance. It sounds like one player found a group of players that aren't heavily defended and decided to farm them.

Unfortunately, it's just part of the game, but this is why I've always advocated that the wall should be stronger. It's simply too easy to break down the wall with mortars as is.

Honestly, OP, your best bet is likely going to be to graveyard. I'd recommend that you and your RL friends all rename your cities to Polis, go inactive, and recover to a different server. You can gamble on leaving production on or going into gold mode, but if you're getting farmed regularly, I'd recommend going into gold mode.

Once you arrive at the GY server, before picking a server to merge to, make an account to scout a few servers. Pay attention to the number of players on the server (the lower the better for your play style). Once you've found a suitable server and area, then coordinate with everyone to recover your accounts and warp your towns.

It'll take a month or more to get the mines back up, but the new found peace will be worth it. Consider it your Ikariam vacation.

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Now, I wanted to discuss this problem with you and understand how to deal with it. And I'm not talking about the player in question because I ended up blocking him in game and on other messagging apps.

Since you blocked him I assume you had some contact with him , I wonder what was the result of it?

Lot of Players forget that the most important mechanic in these situations is called "communication", figure out what he wants, why he targets you and react accordingly.

If he targets you because you act like a farm (tons of ressources, no protection, no alliance, no gold, etc) then do smth against it, afterall fighting and pillaging is an important part of the game.

The game itself is not rly at fault here imo.

As a defender you have many options, colossus, Athene (since you asked about more pillaging security), vacation-mode, building masses of units, asking other big players/alliances for help and so on and so on.

Many things you can do. You said you have being playing since 2008 temples are 100% and you have millions of res. So:

1. Have Colossus to 100%.

2. Change your government to Theocracy.

3. Use as many res as possible to raise wall, dock, espionage, town halls, and government houses etc.

4. If specific res is missing, use a free premium market from your inventory in order to get the missing res.

Now, remember that even if you have just one spear in each town, the minimum time for a pillage is one and a half hour (2 rounds plus 30 minutes to load the pillaged plus 15 minutes to attack and 15 to return), and that's if in the same island. If attack s with full trade ships (200), and you Colossus, the attacker scatter for 4 hours, that is no attacks possible during that time. If you have that much res as you say, full some towns balloons gyros and spears.

5. Say 1000 spears, balloons and gyros will give 4 rounds, that's 3 and a half hours for an a attacker to get something like 100k res.

6. Vmode

It s all about logistics. Before the merge, I found and inactive player in next island. When fully pillaging (had 230 ships) something like 10hrs per day, max outcome was ~600.000. Pillaging cant be endless, it s time-bound.

7. DO NOT QUIT OR GHOST.

8. Continue production. That's vital.

9. If as you say the general gap is huge, DO NOT built army or navy.

10. Always keep as least one ship in every town.

11. If not port blocked, sell res, as many as you can.

12. Maybe you have kept in your inventory troops gained by achievements (i. e. if you build, I don't remember, that much units, you get a free patch of that unit)you don't have, try to gain some, and then one time that you see the attacker coming with 50-60 units, cause he thinks the town has zero troops cause he just pillaged you, produce the troops in the town under attack, boom, attacked with the cargo ships gone.

Well, hope I helped a little. Major of these points is number 7 I think. DON NOT QUIT.

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Many things you can do. You said you have being playing since 2008 temples are 100% and you have millions of res. So:

1. Have Colossus to 100%.

2. Change your government to Theocracy.

3. Use as many res as possible to raise wall, dock, espionage, town halls, and government houses etc.

4. If specific res is missing, use a free premium market from your inventory in order to get the missing res.

Now, remember that even if you have just one spear in each town, the minimum time for a pillage is one and a half hour (2 rounds plus 30 minutes to load the pillaged plus 15 minutes to attack and 15 to return), and that's if in the same island. If attack s with full trade ships (200), and you Colossus, the attacker scatter for 4 hours, that is no attacks possible during that time. If you have that much res as you say, full some towns balloons gyros and spears.

5. Say 1000 spears, balloons and gyros will give 4 rounds, that's 3 and a half hours for an a attacker to get something like 100k res.

6. Vmode

It s all about logistics. Before the merge, I found and inactive player in next island. When fully pillaging (had 230 ships) something like 10hrs per day, max outcome was ~600.000. Pillaging cant be endless, it s time-bound.

7. DO NOT QUIT OR GHOST.

8. Continue production. That's vital.

9. If as you say the general gap is huge, DO NOT built army or navy.

10. Always keep as least one ship in every town.

11. If not port blocked, sell res, as many as you can.

12. Maybe you have kept in your inventory troops gained by achievements (i. e. if you build, I don't remember, that much units, you get a free patch of that unit)you don't have, try to gain some, and then one time that you see the attacker coming with 50-60 units, cause he thinks the town has zero troops cause he just pillaged you, produce the troops in the town under attack, boom, attacked with the cargo ships gone.

Well, hope I helped a little. Major of these points is number 7 I think. DON NOT QUIT.

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Yup, good advice.

If you can set yourself up so you are unpillageable and i used ambro to turn my res into enough for a gr or town hall upgrade then i guarantee you they wont hit you again.

Dont ever quit though.

Assuming he's coming from another island, you can just use a paddle speedboat as the ship to block your port. He'll have to launch an attack with a ship before he pillages and your paddle speedboat will scatter for 4 hours.

If you're all RL friends and in the same alliance, you can also put in a paddle speed boat in each other's ports and then you'll see the attacks on each other and can notify each other.

There are some tactics that can discourage a bully. Colossus is a classic. Keeping resources under safe limits.

If the bully is getting loot, he's going to keep coming. I would highly recommend spending down your resources, turning off the mines (or turning them down low enough that you stay under safe storage), and just gold farm.

Also, try to look at the game from the bully's perspective. What is it he's gaining from attacking you? Loot? OPs? A reaction from his victims? Whatever it is, deny him that. Some people play this game simple for the thrill of making others quit. Don't give him that satisfaction.

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There are some tactics that can discourage a bully. Colossus is a classic. Keeping resources under safe limits.

If the bully is getting loot, he's going to keep coming. I would highly recommend spending down your resources, turning off the mines (or turning them down low enough that you stay under safe storage), and just gold farm.

Also, try to look at the game from the bully's perspective. What is it he's gaining from attacking you? Loot? OPs? A reaction from his victims? Whatever it is, deny him that. Some people play this game simple for the thrill of making others quit. Don't give him that satisfaction.

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While I agree in principle, I'd also recommend to not under value graveyarding.

Graveyarding will allow you to leave a problem area and recover to a server and area of your choosing. I will recommend that before you recover from graveyard that you make sure to scout the area out. Again, for your play style, the emptier the server the better.

Plus, if you're going to go into gold mode anyways, there's not much difference. Yes, you won't make as much gold, but you'll get a fresh set of city teleports and all your donations back for your new destination. You can even graveyard and not warp multiple times if you want to stack up warps.

I had a bully come bother me. I attempted diplomacy, he was not interested. I weighed my options, graveyarded, and returned to a different server. On the new server I didn't have to deal with the bully so it was a win/win.

I do feel like a lot of bullies thrive on the ability to bully someone, too, and as War Games taught us, "The only winning move is not to play."

While I've received a lot of ridicule for that tactic, it's because the tactic is highly effective, and generally solves any problem you have.

I don't really think colossus or spears + balloons and gyros is an option when you only play a couple hours per week. Yes you can be annoying when you are online, but if you log in every other day for example, you are annonying once every two days at most. That's not stopping anybody. Same for the collossus, annoying, but you need to be online.

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I don't really think colossus or spears + balloons and gyros is an option when you only play a couple hours per week. Yes you can be annoying when you are online, but if you log in every other day for example, you are annonying once every two days at most. That's not stopping anybody. Same for the collossus, annoying, but you need to be online.

Yeah, exactly. Plus, since they're all RL friends, if they're going to go into gold mode anyways, they might as well graveyard together. Especially if they can't even communicate with the attacker.

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There are some tactics that can discourage a bully. Colossus is a classic. Keeping resources under safe limits.

If the bully is getting loot, he's going to keep coming. I would highly recommend spending down your resources, turning off the mines (or turning them down low enough that you stay under safe storage), and just gold farm.

Also, try to look at the game from the bully's perspective. What is it he's gaining from attacking you? Loot? OPs? A reaction from his victims? Whatever it is, deny him that. Some people play this game simple for the thrill of making others quit. Don't give him that satisfaction.

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While I agree in principle, I'd also recommend to not under value graveyarding.

Graveyarding will allow you to leave a problem area and recover to a server and area of your choosing. I will recommend that before you recover from graveyard that you make sure to scout the area out. Again, for your play style, the emptier the server the better.

Plus, if you're going to go into gold mode anyways, there's not much difference. Yes, you won't make as much gold, but you'll get a fresh set of city teleports and all your donations back for your new destination. You can even graveyard and not warp multiple times if you want to stack up warps.

I had a bully come bother me. I attempted diplomacy, he was not interested. I weighed my options, graveyarded, and returned to a different server. On the new server I didn't have to deal with the bully so it was a win/win.

I do feel like a lot of bullies thrive on the ability to bully someone, too, and as War Games taught us, "The only winning move is not to play."

While I've received a lot of ridicule for that tactic, it's because the tactic is highly effective, and generally solves any problem you have.

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Are you 100% sure that you get all your donations back ? I have 14 milions in donations (and lvl 50 caves). I thought that if you went away, you would lose your donations. Because otherwise I could go and come back and double my quarries.

I not quit. I am advised to have 100% colossus. Too bad this requires you to be online at the time you are attacked.

Managing resources is impossible. Upgrades require +1M resources. But protected resources are only 76,900 (4 warehouses at 40).

For the "communication with the player" issue: I prefer to avoid. We were friends in the past and I helped him in game and RL in every way possible. I argued with him in every way but to no avail. Now, for my sanity, that person is dead. Anyway, this discussion is not about my relationship with him, but about how to play without having all the resources looted.

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I experience the same. I prefer the building and resource management side as core gameplay rather than continuous battles (but the battle system is undeniably also good). But there's this person on my island that attacks everyone continuously and all of us near him are just taking turns going into vmode. He bullies everyone - pillages, occupation, port blocking. He's online most of the time and has multis so it's just sad for us that don't have multis and that amount of time.

Now, I'm just upgrading warehouses and piling up gold. It's boring but that's how it is. +480 loot storage on warehouses is just too small. I'm thinking of some new mechanics for non-fighter players but I believe our ideas here won't do much as there's a long list of things needed to be fixed in-game and they're fixing them very slowly.

Still, this is my idea:
The concept is to have a building that uses Sulfur so builders would have a way of using Sulfur.
New Building: Police Station
• Adds loot storage and improves resource production in exchange of sulfur per hour.
• Maybe around +1000 loot storage and 1% resource production per increase in the slider (like how the tavern slider works).
• Every building upgrade gives small passive satisfied citizens. It costs wood, sulfur, and only a bit of marble to upgrade.
• The concept is that in real life, police is supposed to help anyone in need. Accidents, theft prevention, traffic, anything that citizens need to have more order in the city. In Ikariam this improves loot storage, workers' productivity, and citizens' welfare.

Maybe to balance the game for the fighters, the upkeep during battles would be reduced from x2 to x1.8 or something.

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+480 loot storage on warehouses is just too small. You have no idea how much I agree with this statement of yours.

New Building: Police Station. Nice idea. I appreciate it.

Even the idea of having a building that traps troops might discourage the attacker from looting. Having 10,000 Spearmen stuck in your enemy's city, with the associated upkeep cost, could be a bargaining chip in negotiations.

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Yes, you do. I've done it before when I moved servers. You get all donations back and can donate them again. Whether you do them to your current mines or another location is up to you.

They'll be located in your inventory.

So while you can round trip and upgrade your mines again that won't solve the original issue of him grinding you for every last bit of res.

When you land on Asphodel, you basically get to merge off of them onto a new server.

https://ikariam.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Asphodel_servers

Once you merge into that new server you get the following:

• 7 days of Ikariam Premium
• All of your donations back
• 1 warp for each city you have

If you're merging off then back onto the same server, I believe there's an additional 7d cool down but it might not be relevant anymore as you can rename yourself from Asphodel.

If you find you are missing donations you can put in a support ticket.