Infinite Horizons 2

    This does not answer my question - all I am asking are the shipyard and hideout upgrades only for points or they actually give you advantages.

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    they do give you advantage.

    But over 800 active users does not sound for me like "hardly used".

    Of course, the decision stands. It's just the forum. Suggestions for improvement have to made at Discord to be heard. ;)

    I'm just saying, in my opinion it was a bad dicision and it helps draining the forum ... you will see.

    I'm getting quite different statistics than you.

    Members 24,146

    Most Online Users 534 and the most active users was on 12/2/2021 so 3.5 years ago.


    https://forum.ikariam.gameforge.com/


    Compared to



    Obviously discord stats are skewed because you can be online in Discord and not active in Ikariam, but that is 4x the users.

    Like i said before: Discord is just a Chatroom! Of course you let it active in background, you can step there between your different games. In forum, people look active when they have a problem or write their opinion to a topic. So the 800 active users this morning did more or less active looking, searching, writing while most of these 1280 Discord users just let the chat streaming in background.


    I have nothing against Discord. Surely its important to hold an eye on users screaming their problems into the room. Its quite popular these times. But if you wan't to follow a discussion on a topic, the forum is the best way. When you try to hide this medium, it sems you want to silence the critical discussion about the problems about the game.

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    Like i said before: Discord is just a Chatroom! Of course you let it active in background, you can step there between your different games. In forum, people look active when they have a problem or write their opinion to a topic. So the 800 active users this morning did more or less active looking, searching, writing while most of these 1280 Discord users just let the chat streaming in background.


    I have nothing against Discord. Surely its important to hold an eye on users screaming their problems into the room. Its quite popular these times. But if you wan't to follow a discussion on a topic, the forum is the best way. When you try to hide this medium, it sems you want to silence the critical discussion about the problems about the game.

    They usually close topics that they cant answer so You're right. I posted what seemed like a bug once in the bug section, was told it was not a bug and it was closed before anyone could reply. I guess they thought it was an exploit and it probably was but it was only possible because of a bug.

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    Quote from Tagedieb

    Like i said before: Discord is just a Chatroom! Of course you let it active in background, you can step there between your different games. In forum, people look active when they have a problem or write their opinion to a topic. So the 800 active users this morning did more or less active looking, searching, writing while most of these 1280 Discord users just let the chat streaming in background.


    I have nothing against Discord. Surely its important to hold an eye on users screaming their problems into the room. Its quite popular these times. But if you wan't to follow a discussion on a topic, the forum is the best way. When you try to hide this medium, it sems you want to silence the critical discussion about the problems about the game.

    They usually close topics that they cant answer so You're right. I posted what seemed like a bug once in the bug section, was told it was not a bug and it was closed before anyone could reply. I guess they thought it was an exploit and it probably was but it was only possible because of a bug.

    The topic in question was closed because you provided one solitary screenshot of someone and accused them of cheating. In the screenshot, all that could be seen is that a specific player had a lot of gold.


    Again, I'm not disputing whether cheating or bug using is happening, but I was disputing that a sole screenshot is proof. I explained to you that you'd need at least 2 screenshots with the date and time visible otherwise you're simply complaining about someone having a lot of gold.


    Regardless, it wasn't a proper bug report and what you needed to do was report player in game.

    Back to the v 14.0.0


    With v 14.0.0 an hoplite can reach the same armour of a Spartan with level 20 defense up and the same attack of a Spartan with level 40 attack up

    Obviousely these levels are very expensive to reach but in a some month or years i think they are reachable for already big account focusing on crystal and gold.

    So badidol i think there should be a way to upgrade also spartans, otherwise they will lose their sense to be.


    I think now with these values ups have sense, expecially to farm barbarians easly,

    but i very hope to see a new group of units in the future, more expensive but also more strong, in order to take a proper use of new levels of barracks, black markets and so on, and reach the goal of keeping battles not going forever in late game while not changing anything in the battle system

    Why??


    the spartans are already p2w enough and damaging...there is no necessity and reason to continue the p2w trend and ruin this part of the game -,-


    they are already simply better than standard options for any starting account...it's just normal that in time, after lots of investments you should have better normal options..don't you think?


    they have their place as they are

    in fact, this update finally added some balance in all this

    just don't ruin it !


    there are more than enough p2w options that cripple the balance and makes the standard game just obsolete and almost pointless to play...-,-

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    they are already simply better than standard options for any starting account...it's just normal that in time, after lots of investments you should have better normal options..don't you think?

    It is not normal. Since they are a p2w feature that player could have bought BEFORE the v. 14.0.0 it is not fair that with v. 14.0.0 they can easly lose all their advantage.

    Moreover p2w features must remain above the others, otherwise nobody will buy them and there won't be incomes for the game itself.


    I have not proposed an increase of their stats, i have wrote

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    there should be a way to upgrade also spartans

    that can be an other paid option, for examples upgrade spartans using ambrosia.

    obviously most spartans were bought before the update, but this doesn't change anything anyway

    the upgrades on all others are neither for free or instant

    in fact, even in these upgrades is already a p2w element anyway since the cost is just "impossible" after a certain point and guess what...

    guess how can you "compensate"...? by buying resources directly with ambrosia smehow? By prem. trader?

    think about it...


    and NO...p2w features do not need to be above all others under any circumstance (unless...they admit clearly this is a pure p2w game and anyone else simply have no place here)

    most paid things should be either cosmetic or for convenience... NOT for direct effectiveness and advantage


    progressing a bit faster? - fine (well.."a bit"... -,- disgusting at what level it can be now...)

    trading without having to wait for another player and transport time? - fine

    all the convenience things what a prem. accont offers? - also fine

    buying directly a better unit and trample your oponent just because of this? - this is NOT fine anymore !


    so really....nobody "invests" in all the above anyway??

    hard to believe !


    there is simply no excuse to bring pure p2w features which kill the game for good under the reason of incomes !

    there are a lot of healthy ideas and ways to make revenue without damaging the environment


    not to mention the piracy...one of the most p2w aspects here and the most toxic / disgusting only because of this...

    this is a great example of how p2w ruins everything around...

    something what could be a nice addition to the game..was added in such a way that only paying customers can actually use it and due to this..how many bother with it?

    an entire update and just few players actually use it - "great success"


    online games are dying usually for some good reasons...and most of the time, the main one is p2w

    players are simply leaving and...what is a game without players??

    It will. I was using Discord only and some people mentioned certain threads about alts. I decided to create an account to see how it's like. I didn't even know there was a forum lol

    This is a screen before v 14.

    As you can see Spartans were already balanced, since they still died and they are not able to completely wipe out the opponents formation.


    Obviousely since they are paid units they were a bit better than hoplites.

    Unfortunately with v. 14 they could become like upped hoplites.


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    most paid things should be either cosmetic or for convenience... NOT for direct effectiveness and advantage

    Honestly are there stupid players who paid for things that does not give direct effectiveness and advantage?

    Why should i paid for something that does not give me some kind of advantage?


    In ikariam there is only one units that is a paid units among all land and sea units. There are no other units, skills or wonders that are p2w.

    Moreover before infinte horizon a big economy did not granted a direct advantage against your opponent since your army could grow only in number and no in strength.

    If attacker and defender are online the defender was always in advantage ( attacker's missions visibility, control of the garrison, walls, instant munition reloading in own polis).

    Moreover with multies, friends and general banks, that are al free features, you can block spots on islands and prevent other people to attack you without spend any money.

    So you are complaining about what?


    Here the real p2w feature are the new ups. Since ups are infinite and now are +5 /+10 whales can spend tons of money to buy or produce faster tons of crystals and have armies that can completely overcome other players armies, including spartans.

    The worst thing?

    Ups does not count for total score, so you can grow in a server for years, making ups and then move to an other server and have a big gap in ups with normal players of that server.

    I got to say new upgrade suck big time. Before you had the satisfaction that you reached maximum level, and kinda planned the way your game is gonna get. Now, they pushed the final level so far away for all buildings, that I guess it is impossible to reach any maximum level, or at least it ll take years. Maybe they think the game became infinitive, but unfortunately our live isn't. Shame... They ruined what s left in this game. It s like they think we are natives, and they wiggling colored glasses infront of pur eyes "Oh, look what we have, if you get trillions and trillions of resources, and in 7 years, anything you order, will be built in ONE SECOND. Oh, what a future would that be!"


    Ridiculous. I quess some stupid idiot thought that GF is gonna last 1000 years.

    you would be surprised how many buy "useless things"...


    it's not all about "being better" in online environments like this...but quite often about simply "standing out", "being unique" in a way

    actually...it's quite shamefull to just be better simply because you pay....it just means that not you are better...but your money makes you...

    and in any remotely competitive medium...this is just obsolete

    what are we competing here about..? who can pay more?...


    but indeed, if there are advantageous options...would be silly to pay for the other ones and not these...

    but all of it is a design problem, nothing else

    the wrong dev choices what simply ruins the game slowly...

    so at least...don't bring more of this!


    one paid unit is more than enough...you know, "everything has a start.."

    and i don't want to see the next step on this. It's bad enough that it alrady exists, just stop it here.


    the economy part is indeed trash now...but this also apply to army

    all of it just sky-rocketed since the p2w is "unlimited" in all this...

    so...still..the same question remains...why would we ever on earth need MORE p2w than we already have??

    simple answer...we don't!


    all your mentioned options are just some workarounds...none of them can really compete with the current p2w ones (if your wallet is generous enough, ofc..)

    Why are you nervous about something small like this? I'm not playing it anymore, but still I've never seen spartans on the battlefield. Never! People don't spend much money on stupid things - not here at least - some p2w features must be implemented. With the black market, you can have anything you want. Train and buy the double amount of hops and troops to beat them.

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    I got to say new upgrade suck big time. Before you had the satisfaction that you reached maximum level, and kinda planned the way your game is gonna get. Now, they pushed the final level so far away for all buildings, that I guess it is impossible to reach any maximum level, or at least it ll take years. Maybe they think the game became infinitive, but unfortunately our live isn't. Shame... They ruined what s left in this game. It s like they think we are natives, and they wiggling colored glasses infront of pur eyes "Oh, look what we have, if you get trillions and trillions of resources, and in 7 years, anything you order, will be built in ONE SECOND. Oh, what a future would that be!"


    Ridiculous. I guess some stupid idiot thought that GF is gonna last 1000 years.

    Despite what badidol might claim the game is dying, everyone can see it in game.

    it's not unusual though as games like this generally peak and then decline over time.

    The grindy work is to try and keep people interested in the game but they're going about it the wrong way.

    I think they're targeting the whales which are the big spenders that keep the game going.. the type of people that will drop 100's or 1000s of dollars in the game a month and will do so for ego alone.


    I don't really see where they're going with the game, I'd just quit but with so many years wrapped up into it and it doesn't take much time day to day is the only reason Im still around at all.

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    Ogame just ended up creating speed universes so I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing Ikariam with speed settings that are x times faster. I think Ogame has up to 10x or 16x now.

    Server settings are our version of speed servers.

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