Infinite Horizons 2

    Also, using the new numbers, it's: 3,790,583 crystal which is 3,790,583 RP for 17 scientists.


    At best, 17 scientists are 17*1.64*1.05 = 29.274 RP/hour which puts the ROI at 14.78 years and you'd likely be done with futures before 14.78 years have passed.


    Also, once you achieve 5,538 RP per hour, you will have all futures before 14.78 years which means you'll never earn any ROI on a 32 academy. This is including Science Futures as part of the research and the optimal amount of RP includes having SF25 already.


    For reference, my strongest account is over 4k RP/hour with less than a handful of 32 academies and a lot of level 18 academies. I'm honestly not sure why I built them, in retrospect, either, lol. Probably just to build them for score.

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    A lot of things in this game become a negative investment after a certain point.. it's why I had given up on trying to reach max everything before they expanded the town/building levels, even now do I ever plan on thave 21 towns.. lol.. no not at all, I'll probably stop around 16, the grind is so vast in this game I doubt anyone but the most hard core crack head players will ever reach maximum development before the game closes up.


    research is no different the scientific research only makes sense if you take it early and use researchers, it does nothing for experiments.

    Given reducer/booster buildings I found it cheap to just mine crystal and get research thru experiments, you only need a lv1 academy for this.


    even then at some point future research becomes so expensive it will take you forever to break even and it makes sense to stop doing future researches and just sell the crystal on the market.

    But I suppose for some it's not about ROI.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

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    It's because the ROI on academies is so bad. The amount of crystal you spent getting them to 32 would've tremendously propelled your research, but I don't know when the 31->32 academy pays off. When I did the math, it was so long that it didn't even make sense to do it because you'd have all futures beforehand.


    Also, only 10 towns? I'm surprised you didn't have max towns in 2012/2013.

    Yes I was having 2 tents (town 11 and 12) to fight at the end of the world at all times.
    Also helped me build temporary temple in tent for 24/7 hefest then delete the town

    Also max towns were impossible for f2p before Dump.

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    It's because the ROI on academies is so bad. The amount of crystal you spent getting them to 32 would've tremendously propelled your research, but I don't know when the 31->32 academy pays off. When I did the math, it was so long that it didn't even make sense to do it because you'd have all futures beforehand.


    Also, only 10 towns? I'm surprised you didn't have max towns in 2012/2013.

    Yes I was having 2 tents (town 11 and 12) to fight at the end of the world at all times.
    Also helped me build temporary temple in tent for 24/7 hefest then delete the town

    Also max towns were impossible for f2p before Dump.

    Oh, I see. I never used floaters because the amount I lost from floaters (not to mention the need to constantly ship out of them) wasn't worth the loss of econ.


    When I got my 12th, I ended up getting the 2x max storage for a week.


    I forgot why my second account was capped at 11 towns, but I always assumed I didn't have the resources.

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    Oh, I see. I never used floaters because the amount I lost from floaters (not to mention the need to constantly ship out of them) wasn't worth the loss of econ.


    When I got my 12th, I ended up getting the 2x max storage for a week.


    I forgot why my second account was capped at 11 towns, but I always assumed I didn't have the resources.

    Some servers didn't let you farm / build economy. The servers I had been on, always had endless wars against somebody for 2-3 years, then rest 1-2 years and a new war with somebody else.

    Those are the servers I quit playing on, lol

    seems like (in general) ya they are making the lower level buildings cheaper and then at some point it hits neutral prices, and then above that they actually go up.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

    IIRC, around 20-25 or so made sense, depending on how you researched. At some point you can't put more people on crystal so it's just converting gold into RP directly.

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    seems like (in general) ya they are making the lower level buildings cheaper and then at some point it hits neutral prices, and then above that they actually go up.

    yeah but they upped the cost of Town Hall again?

    I don't get it... we do need gold to survive the future.

    They did? I thought they lowered the cost of the early levels substantially? or you mean the higher levels? like 35+?

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

    you're always converting gold into research, nothing is free.. it's just a matter of how you get there.

    You have to figure up what your total cost for each 1 RP is.

    When I did the math many years ago it was experiment, because I got a break both directions when mining and also when conducting the experiment.

    If you hav ea lv50 reducer the experiment is a direct 1 crystal 1 research point conversio, now how much did it cost me to mine that crystals? 3 - what ever boosters I have so, so sub 3, now how much are you paying for each researcher? how many academies did yo have to 'build"?


    The down side is you have to wait 4 hours for a new experiment, on the other hand Im pulling in 300k points every 4 hours.. well not really because who can keep up with that kinda burn rate.


    but besides a few buildings, spies & subs, crystal wasn't that useful besides research, with the new "endless" unit upgrades that's gonna really strain the crystal supply, so experiments are probably gonna need to be re-evaluated.


    It does seem like Academies are going to be a better route to free up crystal supply going forward, unless you're heavily into crystal towns.

    Diplomat for Raging Kings [RK] - Eurydike (US)

    I meant more generally that you will max out the mines and be unable to allocate more workers to producing goods. IIRC, this is around TH46 and level 60 mines. Once they're maxed out, you can't generate any more resources, but you can use academies to generate RP.


    And buying more crystal generally isn't viable. Yes, you can mine at least 1 x world bonus x booster amount of crystal per worker, but it never that inexpensive on the trading post.


    I've always felt like higher level academies should also give a RP multiplier, but it never happened.

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    seems like (in general) ya they are making the lower level buildings cheaper and then at some point it hits neutral prices, and then above that they actually go up.

    yeah but they upped the cost of Town Hall again?

    I don't get it... we do need gold to survive the future.

    They did? I thought they lowered the cost of the early levels substantially? or you mean the higher levels? like 35+?

    35+ is not the high level at all it is what 90% of playerbase has
    High levels are 45+

    And uber high levels are 58+ already....

    For years people can't reach 35~40 tbh cuz too expensive, while cheaters are already maxed

    Did they change saw mill upgrade cost?

    In test server lvl 4 goes from 1732 (source ikariam.fandom.com) to 1463.


    For saw mill is impossible to have a table. Can we have?

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    I pirati sono un bypass al pushing

    After the new Town Hall cost review we are left with:

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    43 -   18 -       2
    90 -   33 -       3
    152 -   53 -       4
    235 96   79 30       5
    343 160   113 55       6
    483 248   158 89       7
    665 368   216 135       8
    897 531   290 198       9
    1 194 751   385 283       10
    1 571 1 045   506 396       11
    2 048 1 439   660 547       12
    2 650 1 962   854 747       13
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    4 356 3 572   1 407 1 363       15
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    8 872 8 448   2 881 3 220       18
    11 169 11 172   3 635 4 255       19
    14 020 14 730   4 572 5 605       20
    17 553 - 4 482 -20% 19 369 - 5 136 -21% 5 737 - 16 298 -74% 7 363 - 17 142 -70% 22 035 24 505 21
    21 927 - 5 002 -19% 25 408 - 6 025 -19% 7 182 - 19 747 -73% 9 648 - 21 785 -69% 26 929 31 433 22
    27 332 - 6 492 -19% 33 259 - 8 177 -20% 8 973 - 24 851 -73% 12 615 - 28 821 -70% 33 824 41 436 23
    34 003 - 6 690 -16% 43 449 - 8 868 -17% 11 189 - 29 504 -73% 16 461 - 35 856 -69% 40 693 52 317 24
    42 229 - 8 744 -17% 56 661 - 12 118 -18% 13 928 - 37 045 -73% 21 440 - 47 339 -69% 50 973 68 779 25
    52 361 - 8 916 -15% 73 770 - 13 004 -15% 17 310 - 43 967 -72% 27 878 - 58 896 -68% 61 277 86 774 26
    64 826 - 10 778 -14% 95 899 - 16 467 -15% 21 482 - 54 122 -72% 36 195 - 76 171 -68% 75 604 112 366 27
    80 147 - 13 048 -14% 124 492 - 20 885 -14% 26 622 - 66 573 -71% 46 927 - 98 450 -68% 93 195 145 377 28
    98 963 - 14 401 -13% 161 401 - 24 212 -13% 32 950 - 80 414 -71% 60 762 - 124 851 -67% 113 364 185 613 29
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    227 471 - 22 951 -9% 450 000 - 47 818 -10% 76 467 - 173 955 -69% 168 863 - 328 955 -66% 250 422 497 818 33
    279 397 - 28 305 -9% 583 200 - 58 940 -9% 94 148 - 213 554 -69% 217 488 - 424 652 -66% 307 702 642 140 34
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    6 836 400     31 053 600     2 394 000     11 368 800         50

    So they increased back the resources needed?

    Also why is no one posting any CRs? We want to see sea and land battles. Is it in discord?

    "On the contrary, woman is the best equipped machine ever went to battle"

    -Richard Le Gallienne

    "Asking polite with a gun in your hand is better than asking polite with nothing"

    Leader of SHAG



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    So they increased back the resources needed?

    Also why is no one posting any CRs? We want to see sea and land battles. Is it in discord?

    Personally, I don't fight people on the test server (or any server, really).


    Here is a CR of me versus the barbarians, but I don't find it very useful (though I used to send 15 for 0 losses).


    Battle for Barbarian Village

    Are your spears upgraded in any way?

    "On the contrary, woman is the best equipped machine ever went to battle"

    -Richard Le Gallienne

    "Asking polite with a gun in your hand is better than asking polite with nothing"

    Leader of SHAG



    Quote from Cassiopea

    Are your spears upgraded in any way?

    +3/+3. I've only upgraded ships to 4/4 so far, but I can't take them higher.


    For the record, +3/+3 used to be 0 losses in the old system.


    I'm not really much of a fighter so that's the only CR I have.