Infinite Horizons 2

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From JamesBond79 post it seem that the cost in crystal and gold for upgrading the hoplite attack is exponential, doubling each up

while the increase in time seems linear ( 3h, 4h, 5h)

This should mitigate the fact that ups are infinite.

For example try to calculate how many crystal and gold is needed to up an hoplite a total of +200 attack.

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If they double, everything stops at around lv 20 when it costs 2mil for 99.9% of players and not even whales would do lv 30

But I already saw somebody with lv 30 spearman so I don't think it doubles.

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I have read your previous message and I agree that such players exist. I know such accounts. I have faced such accounts.

And my opinion is that the game has allowed them to get to where they are and do the harm they do, not only to the players but also to the game itself.

But this version is something else than this discussion. Whether there is a new version or not, these players will continue to exist. Whether changes are made and whatever changes they are, or no changes are made, these players will always have an advantage as they are set up.

So all my good words about the new version have to do with the absence of the aforementioned players. And it concerns the game that we can play ourselves.

You have to realize there will be players killing obliterating you with overly upgraded army from now on.
And there is nothing. you can do. to stop it.

Once they test which upgrade works troll shenanigans, expect that unit to be meta overly upgraded to thousands and amplified by hefest or something.
Expect "Perfect armies" where dedicated alliance members upgrade 1 different unit each and combine them in battle for maximum damage.

I don't see balance anymore, I see only pain and suffering for the weak / new players.
As if merges didn't do enough harm.

Those updates are dedicated to please the top players who chase a carrot on a stick and devour new content with money. Good for the game developers, bad for players who can't even place their empire in close range / one island.
Or if I am not transparent enough: Those updates are expensive for normal players but there are those who mine so much crystal and generate so much gold, they will make upgrades 24/7 in every city. Uncapping them is just insanely unbalanced.
Imagine them throw at you 17 cities x 10 waves of Gyrocopter bombing (1 spearman, 40 gyro) with 2000 upgrades. They will hit the target town and obliterate way more efficiently the enemy gyros. Then deploy bombs chained to enter the last round and kill your mortars. Even if you manage to save some mortars and attack town, a colossus with 5hours CD is activated. When they presumably sleep, they use autoclicker or autohotkey or macro that builds spearmen 1 by 1 for the next several hours. Even if you down the wall, you will face endless battle, because the spearrmen hold one spot each upon being created in the active round. And in an event that you retreat they get awaken by a phone call from the dedicated watchman just to change tactic.

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The upgrade cost increases too quickly to do that.

I've done some of the ship researches to see:

Compared to the original costs:

3 => 4 is 10x the cost of level 1 in crystal.

1 => 2 is over 2x the cost of level 1 in crystal.

I'm not sure if the trade ships are special and simply cost more or not, but max storage will be the limit as it always is.

Quote from AT Barbarossa

From JamesBond79 post it seem that the cost in crystal and gold for upgrading the hoplite attack is exponential, doubling each up

while the increase in time seems linear ( 3h, 4h, 5h)

This should mitigate the fact that ups are infinite.

For example try to calculate how many crystal and gold is needed to up an hoplite a total of +200 attack.

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that is not the point

If the changes in the new version are applied to all servers, those with developed accounts will have a huge advantage because they will immediately have the resources to increase the distance between their armies and those of their opponents in their favour.

Just look at the real

The rich are getting richer

riches are increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few

And it will be the same for the game

for example I am back on the test server but I have a small account, with the workshop still to be raised to allow all UPs on troops.

Other players will only be focusing on UPs

These players who have accounts 10 times mine will now be able to be 20 times more powerful than me militarily...

There will no longer be any motivation to start a new account on a new server (because it will then be merged with older servers with much bigger and more powerful players ...

( if I understand the functioning correctly )

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Quote from AT Barbarossa

From JamesBond79 post it seem that the cost in crystal and gold for upgrading the hoplite attack is exponential, doubling each up

while the increase in time seems linear ( 3h, 4h, 5h)

This should mitigate the fact that ups are infinite.

For example try to calculate how many crystal and gold is needed to up an hoplite a total of +200 attack.

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that is not the point

If the changes in the new version are applied to all servers, those with developed accounts will have a huge advantage because they will immediately have the resources to increase the distance between their armies and those of their opponents in their favour.

Just look at the real

The rich are getting richer

riches are increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few

And it will be the same for the game

for example I am back on the test server but I have a small account, with the workshop still to be raised to allow all UPs on troops.

Other players will only be focusing on UPs

These players who have accounts 10 times mine will now be able to be 20 times more powerful than me militarily...

There will no longer be any motivation to start a new account on a new server (because it will then be merged with older servers with much bigger and more powerful players ...

( if I understand the functioning correctly )

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No, they won't. While GF said unlimited, it will actually end up fairly limited because of storage space. Who has Heph active will determine the victory.

This was the formula offered on Discord, but I don't believe it's correct: T(upgrade level)={level 1 price}×(2)^ ({upgrade level}−1)

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Quote from AT Barbarossa

From JamesBond79 post it seem that the cost in crystal and gold for upgrading the hoplite attack is exponential, doubling each up

while the increase in time seems linear ( 3h, 4h, 5h)

This should mitigate the fact that ups are infinite.

For example try to calculate how many crystal and gold is needed to up an hoplite a total of +200 attack.

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If they double, everything stops at around lv 20 when it costs 2mil for 99.9% of players and not even whales would do lv 30

But I already saw somebody with lv 30 spearman so I don't think it doubles.

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The new version is on for 13 hours.Level 4 spearman needs 4 hours to create,level 5 propably needs 5 hours etc.Right now cant a spearman or any unit has more than 6 upgrades.If it happens it is a serious bug.

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From Ikariam's discord server:

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Quote from AT Barbarossa

From JamesBond79 post it seem that the cost in crystal and gold for upgrading the hoplite attack is exponential, doubling each up

while the increase in time seems linear ( 3h, 4h, 5h)

This should mitigate the fact that ups are infinite.

For example try to calculate how many crystal and gold is needed to up an hoplite a total of +200 attack.

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If they double, everything stops at around lv 20 when it costs 2mil for 99.9% of players and not even whales would do lv 30

But I already saw somebody with lv 30 spearman so I don't think it doubles.

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The new version is on for 13 hours.Level 4 spearman needs 4 hours to create,level 5 propably needs 5 hours etc.Right now cant a spearman or any unit has more than 6 upgrades.If it happens it is a serious bug.

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From Ikariam's discord server:

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Based on the cost for the bronze shield level 1, this is with a level 50 reducer.

But there's no reducer for gold and the gold is 26842 for level 5 with the hoplite. The base gold cost is 1500 for level 1. That's slightly more than 2^4.

I repeat

It is not important how big the UP is.

It is important how big it is and how quickly it can increase the difference in UP between developed and peasant accounts

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I repeat

It is not important how big the UP is.

It is important how big it is and how quickly it can increase the difference in UP between developed and peasant accounts

It won't be much with everything 20x'd.

can't believe there's someone going to spend 350 M gold + 73 M crystal to have spearman powered +1 att (from 31 to 32)

It's a QA account.

Can we have more than 1 workshop?

Is this a moment to own 12 workshops, and have 10m Cystal in each town

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Also, each workshop can upgrade something, I have a 32 workshop and I'm building a second one to see how they interact now.

Unless they changed something -- having multiple workshops just means that you can have multiple upgrades going on ---- BUT you can not start a higher level upgrade in another WS until the lower one is 100% compled first -- no starting a level 1 upgrade for hoplites in one WS and then trying to start level 2 upgrade in second WS because level one was already started but not yet completed

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Can we have more than 1 workshop?

Is this a moment to own 12 workshops, and have 10m Cystal in each town

You could always have multiple workshops, just not in same town

I don't know how these new upgrades work, and how are they impacting the offensive and defensive power of the units, but here is a report of a battle before the update and after the update:

Before the update: I lost 3 hoplings.

After the update: I lost just 1 hopling.

Same conditions, same city.

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can't believe there's someone going to spend 350 M gold + 73 M crystal to have spearman powered +1 att (from 31 to 32)

Have you seen lately, how much gold they has some accounts? Some Billions.

As construction costs change, the High Score will also change, right?

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As construction costs change, the High Score will also change, right?

Probably, but they should not.

Since not all the building costs have changed, they should keep the score according to the invested resources.

For example:

Player A invested 100M resources in TownHall and he gets 1M score points from this (we exclude the reducers for the sake of simplicity).

Player B invested 100M resources in other buildings and he also gets 1M score points.

After the update, that TownHall would be worth ~35M resources (rough estimation). If the High Score will be updated to the new building costs, Player A will be downgraded in HighScore, while Player B will be not. Which is unfair, because they invested the same amount of resources into buildings.

This is why they should not change the High Score.