Bank accounts and high number of generals

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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Indeed , there will always be someone that will be bending the game rules but that's not what this post should be about , right .

Let's get to the roots of the problem .

Black Market - created to give players a chance in selling troops .

Abuse of black market - when all alliance is selling troops to one acount and using Vmode to save gold from being drained .

Personally what i think should help solving this issue is :

Implement a cooldown after using Vacation mode , it doesnt need to be large - let's say , You have just came out of a Vmode , and want to use it again , but the game system says " You can not activate Vmode yet : remaining cooldown time 2h 55 minutes "

This short period of time will give you a chance to attack the general banks directly and as you know - when there is a fight in the city - the market is not usable .

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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That's not what happens in reality. They simply help their alliances mates and vice-versa, plus, they also use VPNs. The root of the problem is alts. Imagine your capacity of doing things in the game and multiply by 11. As I said before, the 48 hour cooldown after v mode is on Badidol's list of things to consider, but this rule may not be enough.

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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That's not what happens in reality. They simply help their alliances mates and vice-versa, plus, they also use VPNs. The root of the problem is alts. Imagine your capacity of doing things in the game and multiply by 11. As I said before, the 48 hour cooldown after v mode is on Badidol's list of things to consider, but this rule may not be enough.

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There are only three things my IP shared accounts have been able to do: donate to the mills, friends list, and share CTs.

If I have 11 accounts (A1 to A11) and my friend has 11 accounts (B1 to B11) and for the sake of making things easier account 1 (A1 or B1) has more points than account 2 (A2 or B2), etc.

A1 can trade or give res to B2 through B11, but A1 can't give res to both B2 and B3 because that's using a third party to shuffle res around. That's also automatically detected.

Now, A1 can do a trade that favors B1 in return for B2 doing a trade that favors A2, and this is not automatically detected, but GOs can look into it if you believe there's an issue.

Again, once you say "they also use VPNs" it's no longer about accounts that share the same IP sharing treaty and these are clearly people that are actively breaking the rules. These same people would not respect the new rules because they are ignoring the current rules.

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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That's not what happens in reality. They simply help their alliances mates and vice-versa, plus, they also use VPNs. The root of the problem is alts. Imagine your capacity of doing things in the game and multiply by 11. As I said before, the 48 hour cooldown after v mode is on Badidol's list of things to consider, but this rule may not be enough.

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There are only three things my IP shared accounts have been able to do: donate to the mills, friends list, and share CTs.

If I have 11 accounts (A1 to A11) and my friend has 11 accounts (B1 to B11) and for the sake of making things easier account 1 (A1 or B1) has more points than account 2 (A2 or B2), etc.

A1 can trade or give res to B2 through B11, but A1 can't give res to both B2 and B3 because that's using a third party to shuffle res around. That's also automatically detected.

Now, A1 can do a trade that favors B1 in return for B2 doing a trade that favors A2, and this is not automatically detected, but GOs can look into it if you believe there's an issue.

Again, once you say "they also use VPNs" it's no longer about accounts that share the same IP sharing treaty and these are clearly people that are actively breaking the rules. These same people would not respect the new rules because they are ignoring the current rules.

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With all due respect, I'm not goin' to discuss this topic with you anymore. My thread has 11 pages filled with many people's opinions and experiences regarding this matter. The game is messed up, that's why I created that thread. If you still think things work like the way you said, there's nothing I can do to change your mind.

Hello everyone.

You can enable anarchy after exiting vacation mode. It would be logical to write that while there was no ruler, the people were in anarchy, now you need 24 (8 hours war server) hours to restore order.

Add a line to the anarchy bonuses: your trading posts and black markets will not work.

What to do. Transport resources, chat with friends, play pirates

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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That's not what happens in reality. They simply help their alliances mates and vice-versa, plus, they also use VPNs. The root of the problem is alts. Imagine your capacity of doing things in the game and multiply by 11. As I said before, the 48 hour cooldown after v mode is on Badidol's list of things to consider, but this rule may not be enough.

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There are only three things my IP shared accounts have been able to do: donate to the mills, friends list, and share CTs.

If I have 11 accounts (A1 to A11) and my friend has 11 accounts (B1 to B11) and for the sake of making things easier account 1 (A1 or B1) has more points than account 2 (A2 or B2), etc.

A1 can trade or give res to B2 through B11, but A1 can't give res to both B2 and B3 because that's using a third party to shuffle res around. That's also automatically detected.

Now, A1 can do a trade that favors B1 in return for B2 doing a trade that favors A2, and this is not automatically detected, but GOs can look into it if you believe there's an issue.

Again, once you say "they also use VPNs" it's no longer about accounts that share the same IP sharing treaty and these are clearly people that are actively breaking the rules. These same people would not respect the new rules because they are ignoring the current rules.

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With all due respect, I'm not goin' to discuss this topic with you anymore. My thread has 11 pages filled with many people's opinions and experiences regarding this matter. The game is messed up, that's why I created that thread. If you still think things work like the way you said, there's nothing I can do to change your mind.

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24 or 48 hours will be enough. The vacation regime will become a vacation, not an instrument of war

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I don't know why you're bringing up alts. If you have alts and you're trading with them directly or through a third party, you're breaking the game rules and are subject to a ban.

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That's not what happens in reality. They simply help their alliances mates and vice-versa, plus, they also use VPNs. The root of the problem is alts. Imagine your capacity of doing things in the game and multiply by 11. As I said before, the 48 hour cooldown after v mode is on Badidol's list of things to consider, but this rule may not be enough.

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There are only three things my IP shared accounts have been able to do: donate to the mills, friends list, and share CTs.

If I have 11 accounts (A1 to A11) and my friend has 11 accounts (B1 to B11) and for the sake of making things easier account 1 (A1 or B1) has more points than account 2 (A2 or B2), etc.

A1 can trade or give res to B2 through B11, but A1 can't give res to both B2 and B3 because that's using a third party to shuffle res around. That's also automatically detected.

Now, A1 can do a trade that favors B1 in return for B2 doing a trade that favors A2, and this is not automatically detected, but GOs can look into it if you believe there's an issue.

Again, once you say "they also use VPNs" it's no longer about accounts that share the same IP sharing treaty and these are clearly people that are actively breaking the rules. These same people would not respect the new rules because they are ignoring the current rules.

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With all due respect, I'm not goin' to discuss this topic with you anymore. My thread has 11 pages filled with many people's opinions and experiences regarding this matter. The game is messed up, that's why I created that thread. If you still think things work like the way you said, there's nothing I can do to change your mind.

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Just make the distinction between legal, IP sharing as intended by the rules and illegal multis. Almost all of your complaints have nothing to do with the current IP sharing treaty and everything to do with illegal multis.

Again, as illegal multis aren't following the current rules, they're unlikely to follow any future rules, too.

I also don't know why you think you're entitled to have people join your tiny alliance instead of remain part of a larger alliance. A larger alliance has many more benefits than a smaller one does.

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Then GF can re-balance black market how he wants, but since the life of the accounts is set on decades or more, having the possibility to sell all units with no taxes effortless, with very small accounts and investing only a few time and resources, is ridiculous.

Again, imo this solves nothing and would only make it worse for those "normal" Players who use the Black Market aswell.

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At least if you want to do this convenient maneuver , you have to bear the costs of that army on the multi and try to defend it on a weak account

And it's so simple that I wonder why it hasn't been done before

It's probably the most prominent Suggestion on that topic currently.

The only reasonable argument I've heard so far against it is that it could be actually bad for the game if General Banks are removed (because that is basically what this suggestion would achieve), because it would be even harder to defend/attack (illegal) multi-players who use several accounts to harass you and build armies with all of them nonstop, or constantly switch between Vacation-Mode/attack.

While I think that General Banks (as they are right now with escalating 7-8 digits general-points) should definitely be removed from the game, I kinda have to agree with that Argument to some degree.

So my guess/hope is that the reason why we haven't seen this introduced yet, is because they're thinking how the game would look like without General Banks and whether they have to do even more, then just removing them, to make the game more enjoyable for all of us.

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I got 3 legal multis and they can fight the same guy but just not all at once.

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Then GF can re-balance black market how he wants, but since the life of the accounts is set on decades or more, having the possibility to sell all units with no taxes effortless, with very small accounts and investing only a few time and resources, is ridiculous.

Again, imo this solves nothing and would only make it worse for those "normal" Players who use the Black Market aswell.

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At least if you want to do this convenient maneuver , you have to bear the costs of that army on the multi and try to defend it on a weak account

And it's so simple that I wonder why it hasn't been done before

It's probably the most prominent Suggestion on that topic currently.

The only reasonable argument I've heard so far against it is that it could be actually bad for the game if General Banks are removed (because that is basically what this suggestion would achieve), because it would be even harder to defend/attack (illegal) multi-players who use several accounts to harass you and build armies with all of them nonstop, or constantly switch between Vacation-Mode/attack.

While I think that General Banks (as they are right now with escalating 7-8 digits general-points) should definitely be removed from the game, I kinda have to agree with that Argument to some degree.

So my guess/hope is that the reason why we haven't seen this introduced yet, is because they're thinking how the game would look like without General Banks and whether they have to do even more, then just removing them, to make the game more enjoyable for all of us.

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I got 3 legal multis and they can fight the same guy but just not all at once.

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It depends. It's legal for all of them to strike first against the same target, however, if someone attacks you and you counter attack with all 3 accounts with different attacks against them, even not at the same time, IIRC that is against the rules and they can report the action to a GO.

For example, player A has accounts A1, A2, A3.

Player B has accounts B1.

Player A can use A1, A2, and A3 to attack B1 if they attack first, however if B1 attacks A3, player A can't use A1 and A2 to attack B1. Only A3 can counter attack B1.

Basically, it's against the rules to use your multi accounts as your own little army to punish players that attack any of your accounts.

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Then GF can re-balance black market how he wants, but since the life of the accounts is set on decades or more, having the possibility to sell all units with no taxes effortless, with very small accounts and investing only a few time and resources, is ridiculous.

Again, imo this solves nothing and would only make it worse for those "normal" Players who use the Black Market aswell.

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At least if you want to do this convenient maneuver , you have to bear the costs of that army on the multi and try to defend it on a weak account

And it's so simple that I wonder why it hasn't been done before

It's probably the most prominent Suggestion on that topic currently.

The only reasonable argument I've heard so far against it is that it could be actually bad for the game if General Banks are removed (because that is basically what this suggestion would achieve), because it would be even harder to defend/attack (illegal) multi-players who use several accounts to harass you and build armies with all of them nonstop, or constantly switch between Vacation-Mode/attack.

While I think that General Banks (as they are right now with escalating 7-8 digits general-points) should definitely be removed from the game, I kinda have to agree with that Argument to some degree.

So my guess/hope is that the reason why we haven't seen this introduced yet, is because they're thinking how the game would look like without General Banks and whether they have to do even more, then just removing them, to make the game more enjoyable for all of us.

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I got 3 legal multis and they can fight the same guy but just not all at once.

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It depends. It's legal for all of them to strike first against the same target, however, if someone attacks you and you counter attack with all 3 accounts with different attacks against them, even not at the same time, IIRC that is against the rules and they can report the action to a GO.

For example, player A has accounts A1, A2, A3.

Player B has accounts B1.

Player A can use A1, A2, and A3 to attack B1 if they attack first, however if B1 attacks A3, player A can't use A1 and A2 to attack B1. Only A3 can counter attack B1.

Basically, it's against the rules to use your multi accounts as your own little army to punish players that attack any of your accounts.

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Not at all. I attacked 2 alts from a dude and then he used his main account of occupy my ports. None of what you're saying happens and that's what you don't understand. I attacked A3 and A2, so A1, which is his main account attacked me. Is that pushing? Yes, it is, because he was way stronger than me, but only if you report to a GO, which I don't think the majority of people do that. The game itself won't identify such act and therefore won't ban him. Plus, he is getting punished by pushing, not by using alts for his own benefit.

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I forgot to comment on this, but the trading post is useless not because of alts but because of the premium trader and the increased warehouse space.

When the premium trader is that affordable and WH storage can easily go up to 12.5m (35x5), and much, much higher if you're patient with the longer build times, is there any wonder why no one is trading res?

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I forgot to comment on this, but the trading post is useless not because of alts but because of the premium trader and the increased warehouse space.

When the premium trader is that affordable and WH storage can easily go up to 12.5m (35x5), and much, much higher if you're patient with the longer build times, is there any wonder why no one is trading res?

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BS. Premium trader requires ambrosia. Before this alt nonsense, I used to raise tons and tons of gold at the trading post. I used to bargain with my mates and strangers, especially during wars. I had no military experience at that time, so I used to be the supplier. I haven't heard the word "supplier" after this alt nonsense.

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This is the actual black market

Solution to general bank problem:

1) increase the maximum level of black market to 50

2) a new unit can be sold every 2 level in order to use all 50 levels

3) initial tax is not 28% but 53% and go down with the same progression.

4) upgrading cost of the black market must be reworked so that is very expensive upgrade last levels and unlock the ability to sell all type of units with small taxes (I mean milions of reources)

This should cut off immediatly all existing general banks and it would rebalance new general banks for the future in a way "Do you want you general bank? Fine, but you have to hard work to have it"

Moreover I appreciate if GF will implement the limitation on general score for server transfer, like the limitation on total score already exist. (Feature I already suggested in the past)

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

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Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I forgot to comment on this, but the trading post is useless not because of alts but because of the premium trader and the increased warehouse space.

When the premium trader is that affordable and WH storage can easily go up to 12.5m (35x5), and much, much higher if you're patient with the longer build times, is there any wonder why no one is trading res?

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BS. Premium trader requires ambrosia. Before this alt nonsense, I used to raise tons and tons of gold at the trading post. I used to bargain with my mates and strangers, especially during wars. I had no military experience at that time, so I used to be the supplier. I haven't heard the word "supplier" after this alt nonsense.

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"Nobody buys the premium trader"

I'd say the difference is people are a lot more comfortable buying ambro because it's so common place now versus then.

Also, most people, surprise surprise, trade with their alliance mates and make the deals within their alliance, especially large alliances. As you're in a solo alliance, why would anyone trade with you? Also, are you located close to people who are looking to trade?

The merger also impacts this as most large alliances merged and built alliance islands so they're all close together which makes trading with strangers less valuable.

Also, here's a random server I'm on:

Looks like plenty of people are using the trading post to me and I'm on the edge of the map.

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Then GF can re-balance black market how he wants, but since the life of the accounts is set on decades or more, having the possibility to sell all units with no taxes effortless, with very small accounts and investing only a few time and resources, is ridiculous.

Again, imo this solves nothing and would only make it worse for those "normal" Players who use the Black Market aswell.

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At least if you want to do this convenient maneuver , you have to bear the costs of that army on the multi and try to defend it on a weak account

And it's so simple that I wonder why it hasn't been done before

It's probably the most prominent Suggestion on that topic currently.

The only reasonable argument I've heard so far against it is that it could be actually bad for the game if General Banks are removed (because that is basically what this suggestion would achieve), because it would be even harder to defend/attack (illegal) multi-players who use several accounts to harass you and build armies with all of them nonstop, or constantly switch between Vacation-Mode/attack.

While I think that General Banks (as they are right now with escalating 7-8 digits general-points) should definitely be removed from the game, I kinda have to agree with that Argument to some degree.

So my guess/hope is that the reason why we haven't seen this introduced yet, is because they're thinking how the game would look like without General Banks and whether they have to do even more, then just removing them, to make the game more enjoyable for all of us.

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I got 3 legal multis and they can fight the same guy but just not all at once.

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It depends. It's legal for all of them to strike first against the same target, however, if someone attacks you and you counter attack with all 3 accounts with different attacks against them, even not at the same time, IIRC that is against the rules and they can report the action to a GO.

For example, player A has accounts A1, A2, A3.

Player B has accounts B1.

Player A can use A1, A2, and A3 to attack B1 if they attack first, however if B1 attacks A3, player A can't use A1 and A2 to attack B1. Only A3 can counter attack B1.

Basically, it's against the rules to use your multi accounts as your own little army to punish players that attack any of your accounts.

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If i send an attack with one account the game wont let me attack with my other 2 ones, you wont get that option with IP share. Only way i can fight more then one is if ones in defence on someones island. I can attack him with my other acct. The IP share works pretty good and even someone having one ship in your town one one account will screw things up with other accounts like say in war time.

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Then GF can re-balance black market how he wants, but since the life of the accounts is set on decades or more, having the possibility to sell all units with no taxes effortless, with very small accounts and investing only a few time and resources, is ridiculous.

Again, imo this solves nothing and would only make it worse for those "normal" Players who use the Black Market aswell.

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At least if you want to do this convenient maneuver , you have to bear the costs of that army on the multi and try to defend it on a weak account

And it's so simple that I wonder why it hasn't been done before

It's probably the most prominent Suggestion on that topic currently.

The only reasonable argument I've heard so far against it is that it could be actually bad for the game if General Banks are removed (because that is basically what this suggestion would achieve), because it would be even harder to defend/attack (illegal) multi-players who use several accounts to harass you and build armies with all of them nonstop, or constantly switch between Vacation-Mode/attack.

While I think that General Banks (as they are right now with escalating 7-8 digits general-points) should definitely be removed from the game, I kinda have to agree with that Argument to some degree.

So my guess/hope is that the reason why we haven't seen this introduced yet, is because they're thinking how the game would look like without General Banks and whether they have to do even more, then just removing them, to make the game more enjoyable for all of us.

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I got 3 legal multis and they can fight the same guy but just not all at once.

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It depends. It's legal for all of them to strike first against the same target, however, if someone attacks you and you counter attack with all 3 accounts with different attacks against them, even not at the same time, IIRC that is against the rules and they can report the action to a GO.

For example, player A has accounts A1, A2, A3.

Player B has accounts B1.

Player A can use A1, A2, and A3 to attack B1 if they attack first, however if B1 attacks A3, player A can't use A1 and A2 to attack B1. Only A3 can counter attack B1.

Basically, it's against the rules to use your multi accounts as your own little army to punish players that attack any of your accounts.

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If i send an attack with one account the game wont let me attack with my other 2 ones, you wont get that option with IP share. Only way i can fight more then one is if ones in defence on someones island. I can attack him with my other acct. The IP share works pretty good and even someone having one ship in your town one one account will screw things up with other accounts like say in war time.

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Yes, you have to wait for A3's attack to fully complete, as in the ships return from pillaging and you have no contact at all with account B1 (no spies, no ships in port, etc.) before A1 or A2 could attack B1.

But more to the point was that it's against the rules to retaliate against B1 with A1 and A2 if B1 attacked A3, even if the IP sharing treaty allows it.

My overarching point is that the majority of stuff that is being complained about has little to do with legal multis using IP sharing and everything to do with illegal multis.

And if you're wondering why there's so many illegal multis? As computer power has gotten cheaper and cheaper, mobile phones, etc. have made getting additional IP addresses cheaper and cheaper, it's now easier than ever for one person to have control over multiple IP addresses, etc.

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Again, imo this solves nothing and would only make it worse for those "normal" Players who use the Black Market aswell.

It's probably the most prominent Suggestion on that topic currently.

The only reasonable argument I've heard so far against it is that it could be actually bad for the game if General Banks are removed (because that is basically what this suggestion would achieve), because it would be even harder to defend/attack (illegal) multi-players who use several accounts to harass you and build armies with all of them nonstop, or constantly switch between Vacation-Mode/attack.

While I think that General Banks (as they are right now with escalating 7-8 digits general-points) should definitely be removed from the game, I kinda have to agree with that Argument to some degree.

So my guess/hope is that the reason why we haven't seen this introduced yet, is because they're thinking how the game would look like without General Banks and whether they have to do even more, then just removing them, to make the game more enjoyable for all of us.

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I got 3 legal multis and they can fight the same guy but just not all at once.

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It depends. It's legal for all of them to strike first against the same target, however, if someone attacks you and you counter attack with all 3 accounts with different attacks against them, even not at the same time, IIRC that is against the rules and they can report the action to a GO.

For example, player A has accounts A1, A2, A3.

Player B has accounts B1.

Player A can use A1, A2, and A3 to attack B1 if they attack first, however if B1 attacks A3, player A can't use A1 and A2 to attack B1. Only A3 can counter attack B1.

Basically, it's against the rules to use your multi accounts as your own little army to punish players that attack any of your accounts.

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If i send an attack with one account the game wont let me attack with my other 2 ones, you wont get that option with IP share. Only way i can fight more then one is if ones in defence on someones island. I can attack him with my other acct. The IP share works pretty good and even someone having one ship in your town one one account will screw things up with other accounts like say in war time.

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Yes, you have to wait for A3's attack to fully complete, as in the ships return from pillaging and you have no contact at all with account B1 (no spies, no ships in port, etc.) before A1 or A2 could attack B1.

But more to the point was that it's against the rules to retaliate against B1 with A1 and A2 if B1 attacked A3, even if the IP sharing treaty allows it.

My overarching point is that the majority of stuff that is being complained about has little to do with legal multis using IP sharing and everything to do with illegal multis.

And if you're wondering why there's so many illegal multis? As computer power has gotten cheaper and cheaper, mobile phones, etc. have made getting additional IP addresses cheaper and cheaper, it's now easier than ever for one person to have control over multiple IP addresses, etc.

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Must be a few on my server that forgot to pay up for their vpn with whole islands banned everywhere here now and some were over 180 million score.

It's pretty well a feeding frenzy the last week as some of these guys were loaded with res.The resources are all at high levels also so everyones waiting for those spots. That's why I dont cheat,some of these banned guys had to have over ten years into these accounts.

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Big general banks will just dismiss a few troops and use the resources to upgrade the market further on , this wont be stopping anything .

In fact , i believe it will even create a huge gap between paying and non paying players , because now its easy for everyone to make a general bank , paying players wont have any issues upgrading the warehouse account fully within days if not minutes , where as non paying players will be stuck with nothing for possibly months to catch up .

Yep. They use black market to recover fast from recent losses. By waiting 48 hours to sell again and recover their troops, we have time enough to come up with something. That's how it used to be in the past before this alt stuff. Training troops and navy took over days, and the enemy had time to rock 'n' roll in the meantime.

Honestly, I don't think that alone will fix the problem, but it's a good start.

Because of this alt stuff, having alliances is useless as people's alt can do the job, the trading post is also useless as people can use their alts to produce more goods. A lot of things and buildings in this game don't make sense anymore.

90% of players have alts, who am I going to trade with? 90% of players have alts, why should I start an alliance? I have a small one with only ONE member and it's very hard to invite good players because they're all are under the wings of the strongest alliances that - guess what? - have lots of alts.

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I forgot to comment on this, but the trading post is useless not because of alts but because of the premium trader and the increased warehouse space.

When the premium trader is that affordable and WH storage can easily go up to 12.5m (35x5), and much, much higher if you're patient with the longer build times, is there any wonder why no one is trading res?

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BS. Premium trader requires ambrosia. Before this alt nonsense, I used to raise tons and tons of gold at the trading post. I used to bargain with my mates and strangers, especially during wars. I had no military experience at that time, so I used to be the supplier. I haven't heard the word "supplier" after this alt nonsense.

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"Nobody buys the premium trader"

I'd say the difference is people are a lot more comfortable buying ambro because it's so common place now versus then.

Also, most people, surprise surprise, trade with their alliance mates and make the deals within their alliance, especially large alliances. As you're in a solo alliance, why would anyone trade with you? Also, are you located close to people who are looking to trade?

The merger also impacts this as most large alliances merged and built alliance islands so they're all close together which makes trading with strangers less valuable.

Also, here's a random server I'm on:

Looks like plenty of people are using the trading post to me and I'm on the edge of the map.

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First of all, I never said nobody buys premium trader. I said you need ambrosia to use it. Second of all, I'm on the second most popular server of the US. Last but not least, I'm on the center of the map. When talking about something, you can't say what only you or your mates do.

Badidol's said GF has global rules, so this applies to 30+ communities. One person can buy lots of ambrosia, but that's not the reality of many players. People are simply leaving the game because it's not fun anymore, that's why GF are always having merges. I expected there would have at least 4 US servers. I got surprised when they announced only 2.

If you want to know more, check my thread.