GET RID OF THIS ALT STUFF!

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Again, you're seeing this "issue" from the point of view of a "builder", who logs in every now and then to do some upgrades. Example Killjoy. That was btw the only point in showing who he is and how he got to create this thread, to rant about military banks and alts.

The active playerbase, that most likely also spends the most ambrosia are "fighters". Your suggestions are just restricting the game more.

What it seems to me, is that you guys do not understand a simple fact about Ikariam:

Its called fighters and suppliers, not fighters and builders. We all build. Thats what it has always been like. The game is all about coordinating and cooperating with other players.

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I may be a builder, but I also have only one account. Surprisingly, I agree with something you said: "The active playerbase, that most likely also spends the most ambrosia are "fighters"." That's why this tax makes so much sense. Fighters can afford paying the tax for advantage, but others deserve to have a chance to win the battles too. The limit can be 5k troops which can be refreshed for free every 30 days. If you pay tax once, the cooldown time goes up to 34 days. If you pay it twice, it goes up to 40 days. Forcing players to wait more will help those who don't have ambrosia and will give time to non-payable players to train troops at the barracks. It's like "buy now, pay later".

Your idea leads to dividing players based on their game style. Ikariam is ONE game and there are many types of players. Everybody deserves a chance to fight, not only you who are always fighting. That's called equality. Everybody can do whatever they want. If I don't want to buy troops, it's my problem. As a player, I have the right to come up with other ways to beat strong players.

This will definitely make people buy more at the trading post, pillage other players, send resources to our mates and increase the importance of having an alliance. Because I don't have 11 accounts, I may have a disadvantage, but my mates may have and I can come up with something else.

There's not only one way to do things, and that's the fun of the game. The thread is called "get rid of this alt stuff", and that's what I'm trying to do. Illegal players have banks to have military advantage, that's a fact.

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Is there a reason why you constantly lie?

I can't read one post from you without you lying about something.

With the current rules, it is not illegal for someone to have 11 accounts.

With the current rules, it is not illegal for someone to be a general bank.

Why, oh why, is this so hard to understand?

The reality is this. You do not like the current strategy of general banks. Why? Because Vendon beat you so badly in a fight that you disbanded your troops and rage quit.

General banks or not, IV would've wiped the floor with your alliance because you do not understand how to cooperate. You do not understand diplomacy, either.

You blame general banks and additional accounts for the fact that you lost and want to change the meta because you don't like the meta.

You are too lazy to try even making a second account to see what restrictions there are and to see how you could use two accounts. Why? Because you "don't have time to play more than 1 account".

You have zero self reflection on how you lost because you don't believe that builders should work with fighters then simultaneously wonder why no one trades with you.

You have an alliance that's openly hostile to cooperation and wonder why no one wants to join your alliance.

And lord only knows what else you're lying about because I don't believe Vendon's rump kicking fell out of the sky.

I honestly wish you were playing on an server where 1 IP = 1 account. You'd still lose and have to find something else to complain about.

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I know the game you are playing. You know I'm right, you just don't want to admit it. You don't want to get out of your comfort zone since you are already "winning".

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I'm not playing any game. I'm directly addressing points that you intentionally don't address because they don't suit your narrative. Your debate style is basically gish gallop at best.

Plus, you can't win in Ikariam.

You can pillage someone; they can pillage you back or go into donation mode. You can occupy someone's cities but that doesn't fundamentally change anything for them.

At best what you can do in Ikariam is try to wear someone's patience down until they quit playing, but you'd know that best with how you rage quit against Vendon.

The closest thing we've had to an event you can win at has been the Hydra event, but that's only because the event hasn't run a second time. As soon as it becomes repeatable, you can win eventually.

If you're so focused on winning, the only winning move is not to play.

Fundamentally, in any conflict in Ikariam, both sides are making a bet on who will hold out the longest.

As you can't overtly win, all you can effectively do is fight until someone quits, which is why so many people go inactive.

They are functionally saying that I don't want to spend my free time invested in a digital disagreement in a video game.

The winners tend to consolidate in larger and larger alliances because the best hedge against quitting is to have a larger group of people to shoulder the burden. Plus, if you're in the large alliance, you generally have fewer enemies so you have more staying power.

Also, there's the peer pressure not to quit with a large alliance, especially when you can be coaxed into staying by "going into donation mode and just log in once a week" etc.

As the game runs on longer and longer, more and more of the smaller alliances quit, the larger alliances control the server, and eventually most servers come to a consensus. So and so are the largest guild, they get to win pirates. We're the second largest guild so we can place in 11th place or lower, etc.

I also understand that's why GF is trying to introduce more PvE elements like the Hydra event. Ogame has had expeditions for years and they're fundamentally a good PvE system. Even though pirates is PvP, unlike pillaging, nobody directly loses res, so it functions as a bonus which makes it more fun to play. You're also free to ignore it and you don't feel like you're missing out because it's a bonus.

Obviously, a consensus like this isn't good for what is fundamentally a PvP game. The only solution GF has to the consensus is merges because merges force the balance of power to be mixed up. Merges also have the bonus of likely reducing operating costs, too, so it's a win/win.

Wow, why do some of you have to make this so complicated?

The alts are here to stay and if their legal then learn to deal with them.

The gen banks are the problem and not the alts.

The 24/48 hour ban on banks selling out of v.mode solves a lot of problems and if fighters that rely on gen banks to win battles dont like it then they are not fighters.

They are big alliances with lots of gold that can take out 500,000 gens and attrition fight anyone to death.

There's very little skill involved in todays battles if you have a gen bank and gold.

The alts exists for 1 reason.

Cheating

But cheating also gives bring cash to company (and some virtual population)

People who are doing anything from simple to complicate is because they are trying to protect their ...interests.

Any rule againt alt it will reduce the cash.. flow.

And Like Microsoft, accept it (Windows problems ) or go to Mac.(Mac have the same rule. You don't like it? Goto Microsoft)

(and that's how DVD encryption broke )

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And Like Microsoft, accept it (Windows problems ) or go to Mac.(Mac have the same rule. You don't like it? Goto Microsoft)

Couldn't help myself on this...

LINUX RULES!

Win is trash, but Mac is even worse than trash - an overpriced abomination of Linux

And the best decision of MS ever was to move Win to Linux and make Frankenstein's monster known as Win 11 (basically making it another Linux abomination)

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peace out ✌🏻

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Bro, there are older servers where people can actually maintain million generals. So you are suggesting that the entire game mechanic should change because of something that isn't a part of the problem - but rather a solution to the problem. The multis will exist no mater what the rules are. If someone is smart enough with VPNs, or proxys and some other methods that can easily be set up/used by someone who knows a bit more about IT infrastructure etc - he will have multis within the rule scope no matter what. So if you are not that competent in the field of IT - you have an option to create multis of your own to counter that. That is precisely why they allowed multis to attack the same target as long as there is no direct contact. This is a huge deal if you know how to use it. But based on what you are saying, it would seem as if you are not that proficient in the art of war. There are numerous tactics that arise from just that simple rule - making it a powerful tool to fight against stronger opponents (be it because of sheer points, general banks or huge money investment). If you are good enough - and smart enough - you can wage war on several fronts at the same time - and that is just one scenario. Waving, specialized attacks, draining - you name it. The player base is no longer big enough to fill in the entire map as it used to be 10+ years ago either way, so this adds another level of challenges while keeping your playing field within the short range of travel. The only down side is that new players might be overwhelmed by it, and that is why you should step in and teach them how the things work and help them discover more complex ways of playing the game. You don't need to bring in friends necessarily, you can make new friends in the game, so you can cooperate even further.

Yeah, but that's the problem: no one's happy now. This is not the first time this topic is brought up. After talking to Draxo and Badidol, only coding seems to fix the problem. How can someone hack cooldown time, for example? You can have lots of alts and huge military score, you can't hack it. You need to wait. That's why I said that they wouldn't have to charge tax all the time. After two or three times, cooldown time can be longer for those who have ambrosia. If you want to have alts and join your friends, go ahead.

Changing the whole mechanic has already been mentioned, and it's not possible. The IT part has also been mentioned, and it's hard to find the cheaters. What I'm trying to say is that cheaters can get stuff that legit players can't. There's always a way to make their lives harder through coding, even if it doesn't completely eliminate them.

If we take into account all the things players have to do to have a chance to fight against the cheaters, we'll see this is nonsense.

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I'll say it again. The majority of the unhappiness is because of the merge and everything you're describing is a symptom of the merge.

Cheaters "hack" the cooldown problem by being the ones with the most accounts so they can run the most general banks and it's, at most, an inconvenience to them.

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The limit is 11. You can also have 11 accounts. Like you said, that's called playing optimally.

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If you are using 11 accounts at the same time, you are not cheating. You are playing by the rules. I get it; you don't like the rules, but that does not mean people are cheating by playing multiple accounts with the ip sharing treaty.

The ONLY people cheating are people using illegal multis. I do not understand why this is so hard for you to understand. I'm starting to believe you're being deliberately obtuse or intentionally trolling.

Anyone who doesn't play Killjoy's way is cheating. He declared it.

The most hilarious thing about this is that Killjoy doesn't know history.

LOST originally tried to get a server with 1 account per IP and it also got denied in a similar fashion by Draxo and badidol.

A new kind of new server.

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Since I started that thread, I suppose I should comment...

I learned from that, that while there are tech-related settings, there are non-tech established rules. And those non-tech established rules are Ikariam server-wide.

So reducing accounts to only 1, was apparently a non-starter.

But I still think they could look to reducing from 10/11. I think dropping to like 4 or 5 would go miles towards helping fix some things.

And I seem to recall also started a thread suggesting that we remove gold from trading. I still think that would be a good idea.

Imagine if the black market and tradepost only traded with resources, not gold.

Suddenly the purchasing of military takes more of a tradeship requirement.

I mean seriously - gold, you send 1 tradeship. When was the last time you heard of anyone trading resources for troops? (Using multiple tradeships.)

Maybe someday it might be worth revisiting some of these ideas.

The holiday rule is reconsidered, " There are no maintenance costs for units during holiday." If it is stated that there will be no maintenance costs for units up to this garrison limit, and that units outside the limit will have gold and wine expenses, even if they are on holiday, the gene bank problem will be solved.

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The holiday rule is reconsidered, " There are no maintenance costs for units during holiday." If it is stated that there will be no maintenance costs for units up to this garrison limit, and that units outside the limit will have gold and wine expenses, even if they are on holiday, the gene bank problem will be solved.

should we make a reservation when we go on holiday

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The holiday rule is reconsidered, " There are no maintenance costs for units during holiday." If it is stated that there will be no maintenance costs for units up to this garrison limit, and that units outside the limit will have gold and wine expenses, even if they are on holiday, the gene bank problem will be solved.

should we make a reservation when we go on holiday

You always have a reservation