GET RID OF THIS ALT STUFF!

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For context, Killjoy, (you're killing the joy out of talking about improvements the Ikariam team should be working on btw.):

backed up by all his friends and references in the game, :

just said, that we're all the same, and he refuses to join any of us. I guess he's talking about us, our enemies, and all our friendly alliances (plural in case you missed it), that have their own alts and play the game legit.

Wait a second. Thats everyone on the server, no? What are you doing buddy? Are we all cheating? Or... get this.... you, Killjoy, didnt adapt to, or learn all together to play, the game.

The game is about growing your account, so you can hold and produce more resources, more military, and more gold.

The game rules say 11 accounts with IP-Sharing. Your choice.

Cheaters are getting banned now, more than they have ever been in the last few years. The Mods are doing their job. Thank you very much!

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I have no horse in this race (i do not play, nor do i want to start playing on any of US servers) but you -Aquila- are just being childish there. Trying to show he is in a small alliance and posting his info publicly is just sad.

I don't know if you are circumventing the rules via VPNs, nor do i know if mods are doing their job on that server. But i can assure you that they are not doing their job on many other servers and that VPN cheating and piracy botting is clearly going on.

As for your arguments legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight since you cannot trade with them (just an example i am not referring to Killjoy anecdote, since i do not know the details there). general banks should not exist then, yet they clearly do.

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For context, Killjoy, (you're killing the joy out of talking about improvements the Ikariam team should be working on btw.):

backed up by all his friends and references in the game, :

just said, that we're all the same, and he refuses to join any of us. I guess he's talking about us, our enemies, and all our friendly alliances (plural in case you missed it), that have their own alts and play the game legit.

Wait a second. Thats everyone on the server, no? What are you doing buddy? Are we all cheating? Or... get this.... you, Killjoy, didnt adapt to, or learn all together to play, the game.

The game is about growing your account, so you can hold and produce more resources, more military, and more gold.

The game rules say 11 accounts with IP-Sharing. Your choice.

Cheaters are getting banned now, more than they have ever been in the last few years. The Mods are doing their job. Thank you very much!

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I have no horse in this race (i do not play, nor do i want to start playing on any of US servers) but you -Aquila- are just being childish there. Trying to show he is in a small alliance and posting his info publicly is just sad.

I don't know if you are circumventing the rules via VPNs, nor do i know if mods are doing their job on that server. But i can assure you that they are not doing their job on many other servers and that VPN cheating and piracy botting is clearly going on.

As for your arguments legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight since you cannot trade with them (just an example i am not referring to Killjoy anecdote, since i do not know the details there). general banks should not exist then, yet they clearly do.

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Childish? Shouldnt you know who you're dealing with, so you can truly understand their point of view? I made Killjoy's information public? Its public in the game Ikariam bud. Also, Im not the one accusing everyone of cheating.

No, your legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight. But your friends can! You know those people you played with for years? Thats them. How? Trading. Its in the game.

Or you could also replinish plenty of military queued up for a long time depending on your account size.

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Childish? Shouldnt you know who you're dealing with, so you can truly understand their point of view? I made Killjoy's information public? Its public in the game Ikariam bud. Also, Im not the one accusing everyone of cheating.

No, your legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight. But your friends can! You know those people you played with for years? Thats them. How? Trading. Its in the game.

Or you could also replinish plenty of military queued up for a long time depending on your account size.

It is kind of childish, it proves no point and it just seems like you tried to publicly shame him (despite your intentions might being "noble" in nature)

And i agree with you that your friends should be able to sell troops and resources to you. i think cooperation is one of the main aspects of multiplayer game, next to competition.

But you have to agree that general banks and gold banks are just made for boosting other accounts, be it yours or your friends ones. no one plays by having 15 million generals and is constantly in vacation mode

Im sorry to break this to you, but alts have existed in the game ever since the first merge. That was 2010 maybe? Having alts has been a strategy for longer than not having them has.

Ikariam is a strategy game, controlled by a set of rules. As with the nature of any strategy game, your goal is to play as smart as possible within that set of rules.

I hated the idea of seeing so many alts around too, some years ago. Then I understood what those players were doing. Then I improved my strategy. Now, im having more fun than ever, playing this game. Its essentially big teams of long time players, with access to seamingly unlimited military and gold, fighting each other for 100s of rounds, while you personally dont have to monitor the game 24/7. Also, you get to build more accounts, which is always fun.

Me specifically, I dont even need military and gold banks, because my account is built smart.

Cheaters are getting banned. Again, if you think everyone is cheating, you are bad at the game. If you yourself are cheating, you are also bad at the game, and will get caught!

Have you seen the Hades trick, that some players are doing? Some call it an exploit, others realize that its a valid strategy within the set of rules available to us, ever since miracles have been introduced. I havent tested it myself yet (busy fighting a war, as noted previously), but you can bet I will! Same thing. Uninformed players will call it cheating, others will understand it.

Learn to play the game. Join a Team, learn from them. Adapt to the game. Accept it. Or keep crying. This is Ikariam in the year 2025.

You want a solution for the "average" player? Improve the game by giving big accounts a meaningful progression path. Maybe linked to the total amount of Palace + GR levels. Add a "skill tree", I dont care.

The goal of this is for big main accounts (lets say 50M Total score) to have no issues stomping small alts (lets say 10M Total score).

we live in a capitalist world. this is a free world. some of them haven't broken down their walls yet, i hope they will. bending the rules or cleverly ignoring them is a clever behaviour and the epitome of strategy. also this guy spits out the facts   -Aquila-

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That's why you need to be congruent with your words and beliefs. You said you play cool with your alts, so I don't know why you seem scared for us to apply rules on the black market. Replying my posts constantly, looking down on me and other players don't prove me otherwise. This is going to be good for you too. I'm not acting like superman here. I came up with a topic that seems to bother a lot of people. Having seventeen people seems a lot nowadays. I have the right to post opinions and discussions as long as I treat everybody with respect.

I can come up with a hundred ideas, I know it depends on the deciders, although Badidol's suggestions have some weight. As I said on the other thread, I don't know if 48 hours will be enough. People may find loopholes to take advantage, while players like us will all have poker faces in front of the screen.

We've already discussed about one server only. It's very hard to change everything now. So I'm trying to play on "alt servers with single player rules", like ambrosia tariffs and cooldown time for every X amount of gold spent on the black market. It requires coding, it can be applied on 30+ communities and GF will make profit too. So it's a win-win-win situation.

You have all the right to disagree with me, I'm still looking for other ideas. The idea of waiting things to fall from the sky doesn't look good to me.

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As someone who proposed how the rules could be applied to the black market, I never said I wasn't cool with it. I'm fundamentally indifferent to it as I don't use the black market and my only concern has been about being fair to the rest of the player base and giving them a chance to adapt as it'd be a rather large rule change.

I don't "look down on you." I disagree with you saying there's a consensus and blaming everything you don't like about the game on the IP sharing treaty. That's my biggest complaint, you blame *everything* on alts. For example, people not joining your alliance, people not using the trading post, etc. when I see a lot of that is simply the game and the player base maturing, especially with the building changes.

I believe the majority of your complaint lies with illegal multis and bots which is a much more difficult situation and, unfortunately, one that almost every game suffers from.

We already have an alt server with single player rules. It's the test server. I play there, too, lol.

Plus, just because 17 people is a large amount of people on the forum doesn't mean we shouldn't keep perspective about how it's an extreme minority of the player base.

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See? People don't need to write posts to become active on forum. Some of them are on the battlefield fighting for justice like me, Urban and Xonka. Others are simply reading posts and giving support, like Agamemnon who likes your posts. That's what I've been trying to tell you since page 1 of this thread.

Furthermore, I'm not blaming alts due to the lack of players in my alliance, but you probably agree that, if you had an alliance, you'd be extremely careful who you would recruit to avoid having spies, right? Although this has always happened, you need to be 11x more careful to avoid such thing.

Read the first post on my thread and you will see how far this alt stuff has gotten. This has nothing to do with my alliance or trading post. All I'm trying to do is to get to the root of the problem. It's useless for them to do this or that if alts simply take control of everything.

Indeed, becoming an alliance member TO ME seems a little bit useless as long as you don't want to fight with other alliances. Because people can have up to 11 accounts, it has become way easier to avoid depending on strangers to get what you want: gold, resources, etc. People get all of these things indirectly through loopholes. Whether these are legal or illegal, it doesn't matter: they are affecting the welfare of the game.

What happens TO YOU is valid, but that's not what 30+ communities experience. I honestly thought no one would give attention to this thread, but since I saw people sharing their opinions, it gave me the motivation to keep posting here.

Actually, I just want to thank you all for your opinions and suggestions. I know we are a small fraction here, but it doesn't mean our voices can't be heard. If we have a little bit more of maturity and focus on the solution, the deciders can take us seriously and we can have the minimum we deserve, even if it takes months.

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Yes, they do, and extrapolating that X person represents Y number of people is problematic for a variety of reasons. Forum users are heavily engaged users and if people aren't willing to post on the forum, they are less engaged in the game. There's no reason to assume that the forum users represent the majority of players who simply play the game.

Why would I care about spies in my alliance? In my alliance we don't do any centralized planning via circulars. You're either on Discord, where we have a pretty good idea of who you are, or you're not. If you aren't in the alliance Discord, then how much of a spy you are is pretty irrelevant. Even if I did plan things in Ikariam's messages, which I generally consider a poor form of communication, I'd still restrict it to only trusted members anyways. You never know if so and so is a friend of X.

Except if you're using the IP sharing treaty, as I've stated, you can't personally gain anything through loopholes and it's against the terms of the game to do so and I don't know why you keep saying that. At best, you can coordinate donations to the mines and that's it. The reason people don't trade as much is because of the premium trader as I've stated previously. If you need to trade regularly, you're building large warehouses and using the premium trader.

Even still, as I've already proven, the trading post is also alive and well on the corner of the map if you're looking to trade. You're also conflating that having a large variety of trading partners, which large alliances represent, would need to trade outside of the alliance in the first place. Unless the entire alliance is at war, there's little reason to need to trade outside of the alliance, especially with most alliances now centrally located.

All of this is driven by the merge and town warps. As all the old account servers have been merged, every player has been able to self select where *all* their cities are located. This means that players, who generally would be spread out, are now more centrally located for trading with preexisting trading partners.

Personally, I don't see how whether or not you can find someone to trade with is a big deal at all. If you can't trade it, you can just go pillage it, and with 21 towns, there's no real reason to be lacking any major resource.

You, also, can't draw conclusions for the entire community and once again you are. It's no more valid for me to say the entire community suffers from this than you saying it and I believe a lot of your conclusions don't take into account a lot of the why and how Ikariam has changed as well as how the player base is likely older, but I have no statistics on that.

There's also now 18 people participating.

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Just for the record: when I say spies, I mean people who join alliances for the sake of getting information. As time passes by, they will end up joining discord groups eventually and have access to all your communication. Again, this is not just about you, this is about 30+ communities who probably send circ messages like my old alliance, for example.

Of course not. Two servers were created for US players: one for those who like to build and one for those who like to fight. Why? Because it's pretty clear that not everybody likes to fight, and that's fine. Those who like to build need resources such as marble. As I said, I used to bargain all the time to those who liked to build. Marble tends to be more expensive due to high demand. It was fun raising my gold reserves through sales. It was honest and fun. Not everybody likes to fight. Premium trader has always been there for us.

Still, this doesn't bother me as much as players who use alts for military advantage. I believe there are many reasons why people are leaving the game, but in my opinion, the main reason is alts and their power to get 10x resources in a short period of time.

Power goes to their head and they become bullies. Black Riders on Kreon, Damaged Goods on Eurydike, etc. The promise of "server for builders" was nothing but an illusion, which I had the privilege to foresee simply because I knew the same problem remains on the game.

Did I fight one of them? I did. One of their members - which I don't want to expose - attacked me, lost troops, recovered all his troops overnight and was online 24/7. I would kick his ass - pardon my french - but unfortunately, I didn't have resources enough to do such thing. I was strong enough to keep fighting for 3 or 4 days (he sucked, simply because it's too easy for him, he doesn't need to think), but eventually we all know what happens when your sulfur is gone.

I don't want alts to get banned because we understand how profitable is to gameforge. Since having a single player server seems unfeasible, maybe we should have single player rules on alt servers. No one gets hurt, only those who don't play fair.

This 48 hour rule seems interesting, but maybe this won't be enough. If people raise 10 BILLION gold, they can simply raise the double and wait 48 hours. It's just a matter of time. Then, they will have unlimited power to trade on the black market.

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I'm aware by exactly what you mean by spies and if you're inviting everyone willy nilly into your alliance without any previous contact, that's on you. Additionally, if you do do that, you certainly need to be aware of what information you're giving to whom, but I've never been in any alliance where critical information was broadcast through circs anyways. Additionally with how spies (the unit) work in game, you're better off using out of game communication anyways.

You realize that with the addition to 21 cities that builders also need sulfur and crystal, right? Builders now need *all* res where as before they didn't once they had 12 towns. I used to be one of those people that traded sulfur, but now I don't trade it because I need everything to build. When the cap was at 12 towns, I had warped my sulfur town to marble because I didn't need much sulfur anymore.

Again, as I posted, it is still in high demand and the gold price is still quite high on my server! I'm not even in the middle of the map. Obviously, this will vary from server to server and location to location.

Yeah, but your opinion isn't taking in the real catalyst for that. It has nothing to do with alts and everything to do with the merge. The server for builders was an illusion if you go around and cause trouble. It's easy enough to keep a low profile if you choose to do so. Obviously, everyone's experience will vary, but I've been rather surprised.

All of the military stuff has to do with the merge. A server with a higher density of players simply has more conflict. Conflict over mines, conflict over island slots, etc. Now you have people that were from much, much emptier servers and piled them all into 2 or 4 servers. There's going to be more people trying to bully and fight.

Now let me understand this. You went 1 verses an entire alliance and you're surprised that you lost a war of attrition? And that somehow alts are to blame and not the fact that you went 1 versus an alliance with no contingency plan? And then he used attrition to defeat you by simply bleeding you out of sulfur?

I don't know what to say to that other than your long term strategy is poor and perhaps you should consider joining an alliance. You might be a good individual fighter, but fighting against multiple players in an alliance will exhaust your resources quickly. I don't know why you'd think you could fight off an alliance working together.

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I'm going to interject and state that I am opposed to any rule that removes the possibility of alt accounts. I myself have 9 well developed accounts on US Kreon and I can tell you that if such a rule was implemented restricting the number of accounts to one per server I'd not even bother playing on the 8 other accounts anymore.

I would need to find 8 servers to take many of my accounts (Would have to go to EN as well) and find good island spaces for many of these accounts and deal with whatever server politics that occur x8?

No thank you.

You also greatly underestimate how many players have alts and in particular on US Kreon which just so happens to be the server I am playing on. I can count at least 30 players that I know of who have alts with a surprising amount having 11 accounts in the same server. If you want Kreon to start dying at an even faster pace with the removal of 100s of accounts then be my guest.

The merge alone was responsible for what you are seeing right now. Players were forced onto less developed islands, old alliances were destroyed and some players felt the merge was a signal to finally leave after 16 years. That and the fact rules are finally being enforced on Kreon when before on Alpha we had a ton of cheaters.

What I can say is this. If alts were banned I'd stay play on my main account but expect me to be far less active and involved in the game in the future. There would be a massive drop in money spent in Ambrosia by me which I can quite easily spend elsewhere.

But hey maybe after alts are banned we will get another US Merge between Eurydice and Kreon or perhaps all US servers will be dissolved and merge into EN ones.

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Yeah, I'd disperse my accounts to different servers, too, but most of them would probably build until 12 towns or so. Depending on the server they ended up on, I'd likely just go into gold/research/donation mode. It'd kind of depend on how active I'd want to be, but I'd be curious how much donation score I could amass.

I don't even know how I'd find homes for all of them with how few servers there are now.

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For context, Killjoy, (you're killing the joy out of talking about improvements the Ikariam team should be working on btw.):

backed up by all his friends and references in the game, :

just said, that we're all the same, and he refuses to join any of us. I guess he's talking about us, our enemies, and all our friendly alliances (plural in case you missed it), that have their own alts and play the game legit.

Wait a second. Thats everyone on the server, no? What are you doing buddy? Are we all cheating? Or... get this.... you, Killjoy, didnt adapt to, or learn all together to play, the game.

The game is about growing your account, so you can hold and produce more resources, more military, and more gold.

The game rules say 11 accounts with IP-Sharing. Your choice.

Cheaters are getting banned now, more than they have ever been in the last few years. The Mods are doing their job. Thank you very much!

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I have no horse in this race (i do not play, nor do i want to start playing on any of US servers) but you -Aquila- are just being childish there. Trying to show he is in a small alliance and posting his info publicly is just sad.

I don't know if you are circumventing the rules via VPNs, nor do i know if mods are doing their job on that server. But i can assure you that they are not doing their job on many other servers and that VPN cheating and piracy botting is clearly going on.

As for your arguments legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight since you cannot trade with them (just an example i am not referring to Killjoy anecdote, since i do not know the details there). general banks should not exist then, yet they clearly do.

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Eh, he's being blunt about the situation.

While I'm not a fighter so I have to talk around the situation, he's making a good point. Replenishing your troops overnight is or isn't indicative of alts or cheating. It's indicative of working as a team.

Accusing him of cheating because he's pointing out that he can work with his alliance to recover isn't a good look, either.

What it seems, really, is that Killjoy wants to be able to be able to take on an entire alliance by himself and somehow win which isn't really practical, alts or not, and it's silly to complain about alts simply because you LOST (lol I had to) to a larger alliance.

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Just for the record: when I say spies, I mean people who join alliances for the sake of getting information. As time passes by, they will end up joining discord groups eventually and have access to all your communication. Again, this is not just about you, this is about 30+ communities who probably send circ messages like my old alliance, for example.

Of course not. Two servers were created for US players: one for those who like to build and one for those who like to fight. Why? Because it's pretty clear that not everybody likes to fight, and that's fine. Those who like to build need resources such as marble. As I said, I used to bargain all the time to those who liked to build. Marble tends to be more expensive due to high demand. It was fun raising my gold reserves through sales. It was honest and fun. Not everybody likes to fight. Premium trader has always been there for us.

Still, this doesn't bother me as much as players who use alts for military advantage. I believe there are many reasons why people are leaving the game, but in my opinion, the main reason is alts and their power to get 10x resources in a short period of time.

Power goes to their head and they become bullies. Black Riders on Kreon, Damaged Goods on Eurydike, etc. The promise of "server for builders" was nothing but an illusion, which I had the privilege to foresee simply because I knew the same problem remains on the game.

Did I fight one of them? I did. One of their members - which I don't want to expose - attacked me, lost troops, recovered all his troops overnight and was online 24/7. I would kick his ass - pardon my french - but unfortunately, I didn't have resources enough to do such thing. I was strong enough to keep fighting for 3 or 4 days (he sucked, simply because it's too easy for him, he doesn't need to think), but eventually we all know what happens when your sulfur is gone.

I don't want alts to get banned because we understand how profitable is to gameforge. Since having a single player server seems unfeasible, maybe we should have single player rules on alt servers. No one gets hurt, only those who don't play fair.

This 48 hour rule seems interesting, but maybe this won't be enough. If people raise 10 BILLION gold, they can simply raise the double and wait 48 hours. It's just a matter of time. Then, they will have unlimited power to trade on the black market.

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Buddy, you need friends on your server. This game is meant to be played in a team. People have played with each other for years.

Alts are part of the game. Of course there are people who will cheat, but they're getting banned. Idk if you looked at the Kreon map, before you started your thread here, but there are still plenty of banned accounts to see. The admins are doing their job. Everything else is just a skill issue on your part. Sorry to say this lol.

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Did you really read my post? So you're saying you need to be skilled to recover troops overnight? So you're saying you need to be skilled to have 1kk troops? Tell me which member is getting banned. The top 10 players have billions of gold and millions of generals. You're only fooling yourself with this reply. VPN is still a pain in the ass for GO's.

Of course this game is meant to be played in a team. That's what I've been talking about so far. You need people to trade on trading post. You need people to transport goods to your alliance mates. You need people to attack each other. But since these players can raise millions of generals, why would someone train troops in the first place? Why would someone depend on strangers to trade goods? That's the case. The game gets boring, and they simply leave.

Look at the top 50 players. If your generals get close to their number, they will simply attack you with all their alts, resources and unlimited power to trade on the black market. What do you do then? Do not train troops, live on the corner of the map and pray for this nonsense to end, regardless of the size of your alliance.

This problem is way older than this last merge. Read the first page of this thread and you will see. This has nothing to do with my "loneliness", as I stated multiple times my opinion regarding alliances. Before this merge, we faced the same problems. Even the favour-point acquisition is limited, why can't they limit the number of troops and navy they trade on black market?

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Sure, lets take a look at Top 50 Military. I see my team fighting a war against the VIET team. What do you see?

Maybe you should stop talking about what „big alliances“ and „big players“ are doing, if you have no idea whats going on there. Consider joining an alliance and experiencing that side of the game.

Yes. Call it skill issue, or whatever you’d like. Socializing issue, account strategy issue.

Yes, we did face this same situation before the merge. We complained aswell. Now, we changed our STRATEGY. Ikariam is all about strategy if you didn’t get the memo.

You’re not seeing banned accounts? Lets take a look at 11:79, 54:97, and 61:82 for example.

Thats enough from me. Have fun discussing further.

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So you're saying you use VPN? Nice "strategy".

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How are you arriving at that conclusion based on what he said. He's stating that someone in a small alliance, like yours, does not understand how much larger alliances like LOST operate and coordinate. That's the gist of it.

At the very least you should be more open minded and realize that you likely don't know what's going on as you're part of a much smaller alliance.

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Where did talk of VPN's come from? Seems like a projection from you but you'll find that the VPN users on Kreon have been punished as Aquila mentioned earlier.

As for $$$ Ikariam is already pay to win since Ambrosia and the Shop exists and has been for many years now. Good luck removing anything that will affect Gameforge profits.

Oh, is he a GO? Didn't know about that. Give your alts a break and read the whole thread first. Aquila is embarrassing himself without reading the whole thing. A lot of stuff has been considered.

He came out of nowhere telling that all of us can't play the game, all disrespectful towards us, including Badidol who is in favor of single player server too. No wonder he is from LOST/IV. You guys are all the same, that's why I refuse to join in alliances like his.

I never said to quit the whole thing. For the last time, I'm looking for a win win situation here. If you are pissed at me, it means that this thread is not as useless as some people say.

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How do you just extrapolate this kinda stuff? Aquilla didn't disrespect Badidol at all.

Just because he said we complained about similar issues, but realized the rules are the rules and we should use the rules to the fullest extent that we can.

None of that implies cheating. You know what it does imply?

If I can have an IP Sharing Treaty with up to 11 accounts, maybe I should have more than 1 account while still abiding by the terms of the IP Sharing Treaty. Not only that, we should encourage our alliance mates to do it as well.

Again, having up to 11 accounts per server isn't cheating and isn't breaking any of the rules.

It's like I said to you earlier, you think alts can do all this stuff, but you don't even have any alts. Make a second account and see how limited it is first.

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You want a solution for the "average" player? Improve the game by giving big accounts a meaningful progression path. Maybe linked to the total amount of Palace + GR levels. Add a "skill tree", I dont care.

The goal of this is for big main accounts (lets say 50M Total score) to have no issues stomping small alts (lets say 10M Total score).

I agree. I feel like the wall should have more upgrades, and there should be researches that improve troops (damage and armor) as well as the wall itself.

Ogame (another GF game) has Weapon/Shield/Armor researches without any cap and while I'm not advocating Ikariam adopt shields, it'd be interesting to see weapon and armor researches (as long as they also improved the wall, too), but I've always felt like research was under utilized in Ikariam.

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For context, Killjoy, (you're killing the joy out of talking about improvements the Ikariam team should be working on btw.):

backed up by all his friends and references in the game, :

just said, that we're all the same, and he refuses to join any of us. I guess he's talking about us, our enemies, and all our friendly alliances (plural in case you missed it), that have their own alts and play the game legit.

Wait a second. Thats everyone on the server, no? What are you doing buddy? Are we all cheating? Or... get this.... you, Killjoy, didnt adapt to, or learn all together to play, the game.

The game is about growing your account, so you can hold and produce more resources, more military, and more gold.

The game rules say 11 accounts with IP-Sharing. Your choice.

Cheaters are getting banned now, more than they have ever been in the last few years. The Mods are doing their job. Thank you very much!

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First of all, you're welcome.

Second of all, you're just fooling yourself. First you said you complained about it, now you are against it? Oh, I see, it's emotionally hard to get rid of your banks right?

Don't worry, I'm going to talk to you as if I'm talking to a 5 year old kid: the way you came out of nowhere judging people without reading the whole thing was disrespectful, and the way you are acting now just proves my point. That's the kind of person that I want to stay away from, so I prefer being in my 2-member alliance.

Keep that up, you are doing an amazing job! Just for your information, I had 86k troops after the merge, but your friend King of the Kings attacked me, recovered his troops overnight and attacked me again. I'm 100% sure he uses VPN too, just like you.

PS. Thank God you're not my boss lol

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Post the CR if you think King of Kings did so poorly.

Talk is cheap, lol.

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For context, Killjoy, (you're killing the joy out of talking about improvements the Ikariam team should be working on btw.):

backed up by all his friends and references in the game, :

just said, that we're all the same, and he refuses to join any of us. I guess he's talking about us, our enemies, and all our friendly alliances (plural in case you missed it), that have their own alts and play the game legit.

Wait a second. Thats everyone on the server, no? What are you doing buddy? Are we all cheating? Or... get this.... you, Killjoy, didnt adapt to, or learn all together to play, the game.

The game is about growing your account, so you can hold and produce more resources, more military, and more gold.

The game rules say 11 accounts with IP-Sharing. Your choice.

Cheaters are getting banned now, more than they have ever been in the last few years. The Mods are doing their job. Thank you very much!

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I have no horse in this race (i do not play, nor do i want to start playing on any of US servers) but you -Aquila- are just being childish there. Trying to show he is in a small alliance and posting his info publicly is just sad.

I don't know if you are circumventing the rules via VPNs, nor do i know if mods are doing their job on that server. But i can assure you that they are not doing their job on many other servers and that VPN cheating and piracy botting is clearly going on.

As for your arguments legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight since you cannot trade with them (just an example i am not referring to Killjoy anecdote, since i do not know the details there). general banks should not exist then, yet they clearly do.

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Eh, he's being blunt about the situation.

While I'm not a fighter so I have to talk around the situation, he's making a good point. Replenishing your troops overnight is or isn't indicative of alts or cheating. It's indicative of working as a team.

Accusing him of cheating because he's pointing out that he can work with his alliance to recover isn't a good look, either.

What it seems, really, is that Killjoy wants to be able to be able to take on an entire alliance by himself and somehow win which isn't really practical, alts or not, and it's silly to complain about alts simply because you LOST (lol I had to) to a larger alliance.

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For the record, LOST isnt involved in his dispute. I didnt even know who Killjoy was, before seeing this thread pop up in my feed every day for the last 2 weeks. Once he mentioned the same server I play on, and some of the alliances and players I know of, I just had to set him straight.

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I don't think legal multi-accounts are as big of a problem as some make them out to be. The IP-sharing treaty is quite restrictive, and as long as someone is actively playing on all 11 of their accounts, it doesn't really matter.

The bigger issue, in my opinion, lies with the illegal use of multi-accounts that violate the terms of service but somehow go undetected or are ignored. This includes:
General banks: Cases where the same person sells armies to themselves.
Self-pillage: Players raiding their own accounts to boost their main account.
Gold printing: Accounts specifically created to generate gold and then transfer it to a main account through "very generous" trade deals.
Piracy bots: Automated accounts created solely for piracy generation.
Island blocking: Individuals with 100+ accounts blocking multiple islands across the map.

I want to add to this post, that in my opinion the most worrying situation is the last, because if a player surround itself by island full of alt accounts on VMode it is somehow impossibile to attack it in a reasonable amount of time, so, while all other points are related only to main account and alts account ( the main account use the alt to gain advantage for itself) the last point include a direct penalization for third accounts.

I don't know if it positive for the game. Maybe payer feel safer in bunker islands group and do not abandon the game, but in that case there should be some events or whatever to compete in a different way, avoiding each account to be damaged ( pillage, occupation ecc) from others.

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Im sorry to break this to you, but alts have existed in the game ever since the first merge. That was 2010 maybe? Having alts has been a strategy for longer than not having them has.

Ikariam is a strategy game, controlled by a set of rules. As with the nature of any strategy game, your goal is to play as smart as possible within that set of rules.

I hated the idea of seeing so many alts around too, some years ago. Then I understood what those players were doing. Then I improved my strategy. Now, im having more fun than ever, playing this game. Its essentially big teams of long time players, with access to seamingly unlimited military and gold, fighting each other for 100s of rounds, while you personally dont have to monitor the game 24/7. Also, you get to build more accounts, which is always fun.

Me specifically, I dont even need military and gold banks, because my account is built smart.

Cheaters are getting banned. Again, if you think everyone is cheating, you are bad at the game. If you yourself are cheating, you are also bad at the game, and will get caught!

Have you seen the Hades trick, that some players are doing? Some call it an exploit, others realize that its a valid strategy within the set of rules available to us, ever since miracles have been introduced. I havent tested it myself yet (busy fighting a war, as noted previously), but you can bet I will! Same thing. Uninformed players will call it cheating, others will understand it.

Learn to play the game. Join a Team, learn from them. Adapt to the game. Accept it. Or keep crying. This is Ikariam in the year 2025.

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I somewhat agree with you. My issue isn’t with people cooperating or friends helping each other in alliances—that’s actually one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game. For context, I play in a relatively remote part of the server with a small group of about 15 players clustered on one side of the map. We're not part of the biggest alliance, but we have a great time working together.

As I mentioned before, multi-accounts aren’t the issue if they’re used according to the rules. If the rules are regularly enforced on your server, that’s fantastic. To be honest i envy your server seeming stellar moderation. Unfortunately, that’s not the case on many other servers.

Here’s an example from the server I play on (bg_Phi):

• Throwaway accounts for blocking spots: There’s one player who uses an absurd number of throwaway accounts to block colony slots. On “my” islands alone, there are currently 8 accounts with level 1 colonies doing nothing but preventing others from settling there. When they’re done blocking, the player deletes the colony, moves a raid base there, pillages whoever they like, and vanishes. Then, almost instantly, another account establishes a new colony in the same spot. Over the past year, this player has used at least 20 different accounts just on the few islands I frequent—and they’re doing this across the entire map.
• Multi-account alliances for pillaging: There’s an alliance composed entirely of alt accounts. These accounts exist solely to boost a single main account through pillaging. They have no generals, no walls, no fleets, and they’re all located on the same island as the larger player.
• Piracy bots: On some islands, there are clusters of 10 accounts, each with exactly one colony, a level 1 town hall, and a pirate fortress. Their total scores range from 7,400 to 7,700, and one larger player has a colony there and collects from all of them.
• Vacation mode hoarding: There are 25 accounts with over 1 million generals score each, but they’re all in vacation mode. Of the top 50 generals on the server, only 8 are active; the rest are sitting idle in vacation mode.

All of this blatantly breaks the game rules, yet not a single ban has been issued in over a year.

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I want to add to this post, that in my opinion the most worrying situation is the last, because if a player surround itself by island full of alt accounts on VMode it is somehow impossibile to attack it in a reasonable amount of time, so, while all other points are related only to main account and alts account ( the main account use the alt to gain advantage for itself) the last point include a direct penalization for third accounts.

I don't know if it positive for the game. Maybe payer feel safer in bunker islands group and do not abandon the game, but in that case there should be some events or whatever to compete in a different way, avoiding each account to be damaged ( pillage, occupation ecc) from others.

I meant it more in a way where 1 player does not block spots on "his" island but blocks spots on islands that he is not on, whether to nuke the wonder faith, or just to be a placeholder for his piracy raid base. this way a player is outright ruining the game experience of other people, or as you described it penalizing third accounts

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For context, Killjoy, (you're killing the joy out of talking about improvements the Ikariam team should be working on btw.):

backed up by all his friends and references in the game, :

just said, that we're all the same, and he refuses to join any of us. I guess he's talking about us, our enemies, and all our friendly alliances (plural in case you missed it), that have their own alts and play the game legit.

Wait a second. Thats everyone on the server, no? What are you doing buddy? Are we all cheating? Or... get this.... you, Killjoy, didnt adapt to, or learn all together to play, the game.

The game is about growing your account, so you can hold and produce more resources, more military, and more gold.

The game rules say 11 accounts with IP-Sharing. Your choice.

Cheaters are getting banned now, more than they have ever been in the last few years. The Mods are doing their job. Thank you very much!

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I have no horse in this race (i do not play, nor do i want to start playing on any of US servers) but you -Aquila- are just being childish there. Trying to show he is in a small alliance and posting his info publicly is just sad.

I don't know if you are circumventing the rules via VPNs, nor do i know if mods are doing their job on that server. But i can assure you that they are not doing their job on many other servers and that VPN cheating and piracy botting is clearly going on.

As for your arguments legally used multi accounts cannot replenish your army overnight since you cannot trade with them (just an example i am not referring to Killjoy anecdote, since i do not know the details there). general banks should not exist then, yet they clearly do.

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Eh, he's being blunt about the situation.

While I'm not a fighter so I have to talk around the situation, he's making a good point. Replenishing your troops overnight is or isn't indicative of alts or cheating. It's indicative of working as a team.

Accusing him of cheating because he's pointing out that he can work with his alliance to recover isn't a good look, either.

What it seems, really, is that Killjoy wants to be able to be able to take on an entire alliance by himself and somehow win which isn't really practical, alts or not, and it's silly to complain about alts simply because you LOST (lol I had to) to a larger alliance.

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For the record, LOST isnt involved in his dispute. I didnt even know who Killjoy was, before seeing this thread pop up in my feed every day for the last 2 weeks. Once he mentioned the same server I play on, and some of the alliances and players I know of, I just had to set him straight.

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Yeah, I figured, but the joke was right there so I had to make it.

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Im sorry to break this to you, but alts have existed in the game ever since the first merge. That was 2010 maybe? Having alts has been a strategy for longer than not having them has.

Ikariam is a strategy game, controlled by a set of rules. As with the nature of any strategy game, your goal is to play as smart as possible within that set of rules.

I hated the idea of seeing so many alts around too, some years ago. Then I understood what those players were doing. Then I improved my strategy. Now, im having more fun than ever, playing this game. Its essentially big teams of long time players, with access to seamingly unlimited military and gold, fighting each other for 100s of rounds, while you personally dont have to monitor the game 24/7. Also, you get to build more accounts, which is always fun.

Me specifically, I dont even need military and gold banks, because my account is built smart.

Cheaters are getting banned. Again, if you think everyone is cheating, you are bad at the game. If you yourself are cheating, you are also bad at the game, and will get caught!

Have you seen the Hades trick, that some players are doing? Some call it an exploit, others realize that its a valid strategy within the set of rules available to us, ever since miracles have been introduced. I havent tested it myself yet (busy fighting a war, as noted previously), but you can bet I will! Same thing. Uninformed players will call it cheating, others will understand it.

Learn to play the game. Join a Team, learn from them. Adapt to the game. Accept it. Or keep crying. This is Ikariam in the year 2025.

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I somewhat agree with you. My issue isn’t with people cooperating or friends helping each other in alliances—that’s actually one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game. For context, I play in a relatively remote part of the server with a small group of about 15 players clustered on one side of the map. We're not part of the biggest alliance, but we have a great time working together.

As I mentioned before, multi-accounts aren’t the issue if they’re used according to the rules. If the rules are regularly enforced on your server, that’s fantastic. To be honest i envy your server seeming stellar moderation. Unfortunately, that’s not the case on many other servers.

Here’s an example from the server I play on (bg_Phi):

• Throwaway accounts for blocking spots: There’s one player who uses an absurd number of throwaway accounts to block colony slots. On “my” islands alone, there are currently 8 accounts with level 1 colonies doing nothing but preventing others from settling there. When they’re done blocking, the player deletes the colony, moves a raid base there, pillages whoever they like, and vanishes. Then, almost instantly, another account establishes a new colony in the same spot. Over the past year, this player has used at least 20 different accounts just on the few islands I frequent—and they’re doing this across the entire map.
• Multi-account alliances for pillaging: There’s an alliance composed entirely of alt accounts. These accounts exist solely to boost a single main account through pillaging. They have no generals, no walls, no fleets, and they’re all located on the same island as the larger player.
• Piracy bots: On some islands, there are clusters of 10 accounts, each with exactly one colony, a level 1 town hall, and a pirate fortress. Their total scores range from 7,400 to 7,700, and one larger player has a colony there and collects from all of them.
• Vacation mode hoarding: There are 25 accounts with over 1 million generals score each, but they’re all in vacation mode. Of the top 50 generals on the server, only 8 are active; the rest are sitting idle in vacation mode.

All of this blatantly breaks the game rules, yet not a single ban has been issued in over a year.

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I want to add to this post, that in my opinion the most worrying situation is the last, because if a player surround itself by island full of alt accounts on VMode it is somehow impossibile to attack it in a reasonable amount of time, so, while all other points are related only to main account and alts account ( the main account use the alt to gain advantage for itself) the last point include a direct penalization for third accounts.

I don't know if it positive for the game. Maybe payer feel safer in bunker islands group and do not abandon the game, but in that case there should be some events or whatever to compete in a different way, avoiding each account to be damaged ( pillage, occupation ecc) from others.

I meant it more in a way where 1 player does not block spots on "his" island but blocks spots on islands that he is not on, whether to nuke the wonder faith, or just to be a placeholder for his piracy raid base. this way a player is outright ruining the game experience of other people, or as you described it penalizing third accounts

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While I agree all of that is problematic behavior, it's only problematic behavior if it's not two different players. As far as I know, that's all legal behavior by the game rules assuming it's not the same person using a VPN.

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Quote from -Aquila-

Im sorry to break this to you, but alts have existed in the game ever since the first merge. That was 2010 maybe? Having alts has been a strategy for longer than not having them has.

Ikariam is a strategy game, controlled by a set of rules. As with the nature of any strategy game, your goal is to play as smart as possible within that set of rules.

I hated the idea of seeing so many alts around too, some years ago. Then I understood what those players were doing. Then I improved my strategy. Now, im having more fun than ever, playing this game. Its essentially big teams of long time players, with access to seamingly unlimited military and gold, fighting each other for 100s of rounds, while you personally dont have to monitor the game 24/7. Also, you get to build more accounts, which is always fun.

Me specifically, I dont even need military and gold banks, because my account is built smart.

Cheaters are getting banned. Again, if you think everyone is cheating, you are bad at the game. If you yourself are cheating, you are also bad at the game, and will get caught!

Have you seen the Hades trick, that some players are doing? Some call it an exploit, others realize that its a valid strategy within the set of rules available to us, ever since miracles have been introduced. I havent tested it myself yet (busy fighting a war, as noted previously), but you can bet I will! Same thing. Uninformed players will call it cheating, others will understand it.

Learn to play the game. Join a Team, learn from them. Adapt to the game. Accept it. Or keep crying. This is Ikariam in the year 2025.

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I somewhat agree with you. My issue isn’t with people cooperating or friends helping each other in alliances—that’s actually one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game. For context, I play in a relatively remote part of the server with a small group of about 15 players clustered on one side of the map. We're not part of the biggest alliance, but we have a great time working together.

As I mentioned before, multi-accounts aren’t the issue if they’re used according to the rules. If the rules are regularly enforced on your server, that’s fantastic. To be honest i envy your server seeming stellar moderation. Unfortunately, that’s not the case on many other servers.

Here’s an example from the server I play on (bg_Phi):

• Throwaway accounts for blocking spots: There’s one player who uses an absurd number of throwaway accounts to block colony slots. On “my” islands alone, there are currently 8 accounts with level 1 colonies doing nothing but preventing others from settling there. When they’re done blocking, the player deletes the colony, moves a raid base there, pillages whoever they like, and vanishes. Then, almost instantly, another account establishes a new colony in the same spot. Over the past year, this player has used at least 20 different accounts just on the few islands I frequent—and they’re doing this across the entire map.
• Multi-account alliances for pillaging: There’s an alliance composed entirely of alt accounts. These accounts exist solely to boost a single main account through pillaging. They have no generals, no walls, no fleets, and they’re all located on the same island as the larger player.
• Piracy bots: On some islands, there are clusters of 10 accounts, each with exactly one colony, a level 1 town hall, and a pirate fortress. Their total scores range from 7,400 to 7,700, and one larger player has a colony there and collects from all of them.
• Vacation mode hoarding: There are 25 accounts with over 1 million generals score each, but they’re all in vacation mode. Of the top 50 generals on the server, only 8 are active; the rest are sitting idle in vacation mode.

All of this blatantly breaks the game rules, yet not a single ban has been issued in over a year.

Quote from AT Barbarossa

I want to add to this post, that in my opinion the most worrying situation is the last, because if a player surround itself by island full of alt accounts on VMode it is somehow impossibile to attack it in a reasonable amount of time, so, while all other points are related only to main account and alts account ( the main account use the alt to gain advantage for itself) the last point include a direct penalization for third accounts.

I don't know if it positive for the game. Maybe payer feel safer in bunker islands group and do not abandon the game, but in that case there should be some events or whatever to compete in a different way, avoiding each account to be damaged ( pillage, occupation ecc) from others.

I meant it more in a way where 1 player does not block spots on "his" island but blocks spots on islands that he is not on, whether to nuke the wonder faith, or just to be a placeholder for his piracy raid base. this way a player is outright ruining the game experience of other people, or as you described it penalizing third accounts

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Im not sure you're getting it quite right.

Your list:

1. This is allowed. You dont know if all of the Polises belong to the same player or more, and it costs ambrosia to buy town teleports.

You and your alliance should've prepared better for the merge. Lock your islands, and fight the attacker together.

2. The Mods have access to the logs. Report the accounts. Idk what proof you have.

The alt alliances you're seeing are a big "Hello! These are our alts. Dont be stupid and attack them."

3. The Mods have access to the logs. Report the accounts. On my server they're banned!

4. This is allowed. Example: someone in your alliance doesnt like to fight, but offers his alt to hold military produced by the rest of you. Everyone plays their part in some way or another. Fighters and suppliers.

You need ammo, to fire a gun. Idk if you noticed but the point of the game is to wait around until you have enough resources for an upgrade. Players get bored. Alliances start wars. Thats what makes the game fun -- coordinating with your team. This also gets the activity and purchase power up.

Military banks should actually be encouraged. Whats wrong with an emergency stash of military, when your enemy warps next to you with 1M generals?