New Building Idea: Bank

then if a player less than 7 days does such business, buys the army expensively and then sells it cheaply and no one considers it to be wrong or irregular, then it is a big problem. I understand that you don't want to prey on those who have a lot of gold, but the use of clones should be more intensively followed and banned to people who use them for their own benefit. Otherwise, it's as if we go to the polls, 100% vote with X and it is published that Y is the most suitable to be elected because he is the tallest or I don't know what criterion!!!!

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If you argument is that bringing gold pillaging to normal servers will in any way stop that trend i 100% disagree with you.

I didn't say that.. don't stick words in my mouth the game is dying and will continue to do so no matter what GF does at this point.

when was the first war server? seems like it was 2012ish? 4 or 5 years after the game was released, war servers was always going to attract fewer players, and I already said most are builders and don't want ANYTHING taken from them if given the choice.

You're so ate up in the mind dude.. I give you an inch and you try to take a mile.

The game is dying because the original target audience was office workers that could spend a little time here and there playing a browser game. Now that mobile games are better, they're tending to play mobile games instead. Plenty of younger people with adequate free time played, too.

I'm a builder and I get that the nature of Ikariam is that I might get attacked here or there, but Ikariam gives me a lot of options.

Last time someone was intent on moving to an island I was on to attack my weaker cities. I attempted diplomacy, but he wasn't interested, which was fine.

At that point, I weighed my options, and simply decided to GY because I didn't want to get into a fight with someone. I left the game running and went inactive and when I decided to play Ikariam again, I went shopping through the server list for a server that had empty islands that met my criteria.

I recovered from GY and played on a sleepy server, which suits my play style.

Now, granted, with freighters, I rarely have more than 10m gold because I've been buying freighters, but if the same scenario happened again, I'd simply GY again. It's better to go find a place to be peaceful than to get into a fight with someone.

It does take me over 1 month to rebuild my islands, but that's fine. It's a small price to pay for peace.

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If you argue that the game is losing players i would 100% agree with you.

If you argument is that bringing gold pillaging to normal servers will in any way stop that trend i 100% disagree with you.

Lets just look at last batch of servers. currently there are 688 currently online active players on all separate national servers (the last bunch 43 days old), there are 313 currently active players on previous patch of new servers (134 days old)

Ares global has at same time 416 players (all war servers ever created)

So, what you are saying is that Ares is the most active server and has 2/3 of the activity of ALL non gold pillaging servers combined?

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Quite the opposite: All war servers ever created in the entire history of game from 2012 to today have less active players that just the last batch of newly created servers (that were created 43 days ago).

Just 1 single national normal server Telemachos (UK) - created 43 days ago has nearly 40% of the currently active players who play on any kind of war server. So my point is that war servers are not that popular at all. And that even newer normal servers have more players than war servers

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If you argue that the game is losing players i would 100% agree with you.

If you argument is that bringing gold pillaging to normal servers will in any way stop that trend i 100% disagree with you.

Lets just look at last batch of servers. currently there are 688 currently online active players on all separate national servers (the last bunch 43 days old), there are 313 currently active players on previous patch of new servers (134 days old)

Ares global has at same time 416 players (all war servers ever created)

So, what you are saying is that Ares is the most active server and has 2/3 of the activity of ALL non gold pillaging servers combined?

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Quite the opposite: All war servers ever created in the entire history of game from 2012 to today have less active players that just the last batch of newly created servers (that were created 43 days ago).

Just 1 single national normal server Telemachos (UK) - created 43 days ago has nearly 40% of the currently active players who play on any kind of war server. So my point is that war servers are not that popular at all. And that even newer normal servers have more players than war servers

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I was referring to simultaneous currently online active players. More continuous activity occurs on the war servers.

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What do you mean?

1. Most active players? like the ratio of total players vs the number of players that are online at a time (currently active players/ total players on that server)

2. The fact that there are a lot of players currently online on that server (That is due to every single national war server being merged into single global one, as there was almost zero activity on each nation specific server - therefore there was the merge)

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So, what you are saying is that Ares is the most active server and has 2/3 of the activity of ALL non gold pillaging servers combined?

Quite the opposite: All war servers ever created in the entire history of game from 2012 to today have less active players that just the last batch of newly created servers (that were created 43 days ago).

Just 1 single national normal server Telemachos (UK) - created 43 days ago has nearly 40% of the currently active players who play on any kind of war server. So my point is that war servers are not that popular at all. And that even newer normal servers have more players than war servers

I was referring to simultaneous currently online active players. More continuous activity occurs on the war servers.

What do you mean?

1. Most active players? like the ratio of total players vs the number of players that are online at a time (currently active players/ total players on that server)

2. The fact that there are a lot of players currently online on that server (That is due to every single national war server being merged into single global one, as there was almost zero activity on each nation specific server - therefore there was the merge)

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As in at any given moment there are about 2/3 as many players actively playing on Ares, than the entirety of all other servers in all other communities combined

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Not true at all!

Here are top 10 servers as current activity:

1 - pangea 1 : 461 (normal server)

2 - ares global 455 (war server)

3 - pangea 4: 455 (normal server)

4 - omega: 192 (normal server)

5 - telemachos: 188 (normal server)

6 - plutos: 172 (normal server)

7 - kerebos: 150 (normal server)

8 - acheron: 139 (normal server)

9 - beta: 103 (normal server)

10 - acheron: 99 (normal server)

And there are 100+ other normal server and 0 other war servers

Why is there only 1 war server in the first place? because they were deserted, so they had to merge ALL of them into one.

War servers have their place in the game, i am not arguing against them. I don't want them removed. i am just saying that they are not popular at all compared to normal servers and that is why gold pillaging is not popular idea.

Again i am not against gold pillaging in war servers i am against gold pillaging in normal servers

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If you argue that the game is losing players i would 100% agree with you.

If you argument is that bringing gold pillaging to normal servers will in any way stop that trend i 100% disagree with you.

Lets just look at last batch of servers. currently there are 688 currently online active players on all separate national servers (the last bunch 43 days old), there are 313 currently active players on previous patch of new servers (134 days old)

Ares global has at same time 416 players (all war servers ever created)

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Not true at all!

Here are top 10 servers as current activity:

1 - pangea 1 : 461 (normal server)

2 - ares global 455 (war server)

3 - pangea 4: 455 (normal server)

4 - omega: 192 (normal server)

5 - telemachos: 188 (normal server)

6 - plutos: 172 (normal server)

7 - kerebos: 150 (normal server)

8 - acheron: 139 (normal server)

9 - beta: 103 (normal server)

10 - acheron: 99 (normal server)

And there are 100+ other normal server and 0 other war servers

Why is there only 1 war server in the first place? because they were deserted, so they had to merge ALL of them into one.

War servers have their place in the game, i am not arguing against them. I don't want them removed. i am just saying that they are not popular at all compared to normal servers and that is why gold pillaging is not popular idea.

Again i am not against gold pillaging in war servers i am against gold pillaging in normal servers

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Sorry, I was going by your originally posted numbers. I had assumed they were accurate.

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Have you actually read what i wrote? I clearly wrote THE LAST BUNCH 43 DAYS OLD

So that means that i compared only the servers that were created 43 days ago, and not ALL servers. I think this was pretty clearly stated

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If you argue that the game is losing players i would 100% agree with you.

If you argument is that bringing gold pillaging to normal servers will in any way stop that trend i 100% disagree with you.

Lets just look at last batch of servers. currently there are 688 currently online active players on all separate national servers (the last bunch 43 days old), there are 313 currently active players on previous patch of new servers (134 days old)

Ares global has at same time 416 players (all war servers ever created)

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Not true at all!

Here are top 10 servers as current activity:

1 - pangea 1 : 461 (normal server)

2 - ares global 455 (war server)

3 - pangea 4: 455 (normal server)

4 - omega: 192 (normal server)

5 - telemachos: 188 (normal server)

6 - plutos: 172 (normal server)

7 - kerebos: 150 (normal server)

8 - acheron: 139 (normal server)

9 - beta: 103 (normal server)

10 - acheron: 99 (normal server)

And there are 100+ other normal server and 0 other war servers

Why is there only 1 war server in the first place? because they were deserted, so they had to merge ALL of them into one.

War servers have their place in the game, i am not arguing against them. I don't want them removed. i am just saying that they are not popular at all compared to normal servers and that is why gold pillaging is not popular idea.

Again i am not against gold pillaging in war servers i am against gold pillaging in normal servers

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Sorry, I was going by your originally posted numbers. I had assumed they were accurate.

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Have you actually read what i wrote? I clearly wrote THE LAST BUNCH 43 DAYS OLD

So that means that i compared only the servers that were created 43 days ago, and not ALL servers. I think this was pretty clearly stated

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Even adjusting for that, it still places it more active than normal servers and on par with other global servers. Incidentally, Pangaia (I believe you misspelled it) are global (not normal) servers.

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Yes it is quite active, i give you that. And yes, i indeed misspelled Pangaia.

But ares is also global server.

Why is it global you might ask? it is because all normal (national) war servers have been merged into 1 global one.

And why did they have to merge all national war servers into 1 global one?

Because most national war servers lacked active players.

War servers have their place in the game, alongside normal servers. But they should not replace normal servers, since normal servers are a lot more popular. Both can coexist in game... and i have nothing against war servers, as long as they stay separate to normal servers.

In fact i might even start a new account on war server to see what is all fuss about, after the merge happened. (probably would not play on it a long time, but i might give it a try)

The war server is also global and should be compared to Pangaia. I don't know how this could be confusing. There's only 1 war server after the merge.

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Yes it is quite active, i give you that. And yes, i indeed misspelled Pangaia.

But ares is also global server.

Why is it global you might ask? it is because all normal (national) war servers have been merged into 1 global one.

And why did they have to merge all national war servers into 1 global one?

Because most national war servers lacked active players.

War servers have their place in the game, alongside normal servers. But they should not replace normal servers, since normal servers are a lot more popular. Both can coexist in game... and i have nothing against war servers, as long as they stay separate to normal servers.

In fact i might even start a new account on war server to see what is all fuss about, after the merge happened. (probably would not play on it a long time, but i might give it a try)

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This is all digression, however. The war server is as active as any global server, in our ever shrinking universe. I suspect that over time we will eventually be reduced to a single Pangaia and a single Ares server. Until such time, I was looking at a way to reintroduce gold pillaging in a moderate and civilized way. This would force account development to protect against, which is time consuming and less attractive for multis. But, for single players it would add depth, complexity and a need to be a little more active.

For traders, it would require buying ships regularly and/or increasing military to keep their gold down to become a less attractive target. Fighters don't need to up their aggression too much (unless they drastically oversize their military). With the shrine, worshipping Plutus in all cities and shutting down production... One can already have a sizable military. To let you into the mind of a pillager, it is a matter of being opportunistic. It's all about risk/cost vs gain. If you fight enough, your losses become pretty predictable and typically one puts replacement troops into production before they even make landfall.

For defenders, they typically just have to make themselves look like more of a bother than they are worth. However, that is just pillagers. There are also players in the game that are simply malicious and attack for the sake of attacking. The best defense against them is to make it cost more to bother you than it is worth. Eventually it becomes too costly, they become bored and they move on to someone else they can exhibit their sadism upon.

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Bit why completely remove normal servers? why not allow people who don't want gold pillaging to keep playing on this, less complex game? do you see what you are arguing? you want to destroy normal servers and de facto change them into war servers. While i do not want to remove gold pillaging from war servers.

You know what would be more reasonable solution.... Allowing people to choose with their current accounts they play on, whether to transfer to normal server and continue playing as they are, or to transfer their current account to this modified gold pillaging server.

Again not adding the option with this merge to gave gold pillaging server option is a missed opportunity. Perhaps in next merge in a couple of years this could be one of the options

Would you be in favor of this solution? as this if far more likely to actually get implemented in the future if you and players like you actually pushed for it to happen in the future.

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Bit why completely remove normal servers? why not allow people who don't want gold pillaging to keep playing on this, less complex game? do you see what you are arguing? you want to destroy normal servers and de facto change them into war servers. While i do not want to remove gold pillaging from war servers.

You know what would be more reasonable solution.... Allowing people to choose with their current accounts they play on, whether to transfer to normal server and continue playing as they are, or to transfer their current account to this modified gold pillaging server.

Again not adding the option with this merge to gave gold pillaging server option is a missed opportunity. Perhaps in next merge in a couple of years this could be one of the options

Would you be in favor of this solution? as this if far more likely to actually get implemented in the future if you and players like you actually pushed for it to happen in the future.

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I am not opposed to the idea of allowing players to go to the Ares server for the merge.

I am however not asking for an entirely new concept be added to the game, rather I am asking for something that was removed from the game due to poor implementation to be reintroduced in a better way. I get that you came into the game after that change was made, but it was here originally. The way I am suggesting it be done, is much less savage than it used to be. I simply want for gold to be treated like any other resource in the game, and as a result believe there should be similar ways to protect it.

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OK, but why force everybody to play with that feature, do you understand that what you want will make current game less interesting for many people. why not give people the option to choose whether to play with gold pillaging or without?

And also gold pillaging was not ever implemented in most servers. only the few oldest ones have ever had such a feature. most servers were created after this had been removed.

Why not give people 2 options: To play on server where you can pillage gold or to play on server where you cannot.

Sorry if i misunderstand you, it it seems like you want everyone to play the version of game you like. and want to completely remove/destroy "normal servers" and make everything into a war server (or modified war server)

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OK, but why force everybody to play with that feature, do you understand that what you want will make current game less interesting for many people. why not give people the option to choose whether to play with gold pillaging or without?

And also gold pillaging was not ever implemented in most servers. only the few oldest ones have ever had such a feature. most servers were created after this had been removed.

Why not give people 2 options: To play on server where you can pillage gold or to play on server where you cannot.

Sorry if i misunderstand you, it it seems like you want everyone to play the version of game you like. and want to completely remove/destroy "normal servers" and make everything into a war server (or modified war server)

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I'm looking for a compromise between what would be ideal for me, and what would be ideal for you. I get that your playstyle finds gold pillaging odious. whereas, I find its lack leaves something missing. I get that this is an escape from "real life" and a distraction from things for a short span of time. That said, this is an interactive game, that has plenty of negative interplayer interactions that unfortunately little can be done about in response. Which is the problem.

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So why not have both. an option where there is gold pillaging and an option without? "normal servers" and "war servers"

Both camps are happy. This is what i call a compromise.

It might be interesting to add a sever that has no pillaging what so ever and see how many people want to play on that.

I suspect it would be the most popular option actually as the majority of players are builders and don't engage in fights.

wonder what kinda discussion we would be having if 75% of the player population moved to that type of server.. be funny.