Server Merge Additional Questions

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Of course donations are a joint effort, but making a stance that you deserve to carry the benefit of now extinct players is perhaps not a very strong argument.

Yeah, right when the game was updated and more and more resource income is required, it is the BEST time to ditch the world development and get used with mines at even lower levels, just because some of the donors are no longer present.

I'd be trilled to play more with even less income, when the next buildings cost increases exponentially. This is exactly what we needed, right???

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Of course donations are a joint effort, but making a stance that you deserve to carry the benefit of now extinct players is perhaps not a very strong argument.

Yeah, right when the game was updated and more and more resource income is required, it is the BEST time to ditch the world development and get used with mines at even lower levels, just because some of the donors are no longer present.

I'd be trilled to play more with even less income, when the next buildings cost increases exponentially. This is exactly what we needed, right???

I don't think that new content updates that introduced new building levels should change the decision to handle merges into completely new servers.

It's unfortunate that you seemingly lose islands that had a major contribution from players other than yourself.

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The problem is that this game was a continuous development game. I play this for over 16 years. I had friends that played with me on the same islands, we developed together, but along the road, they just quit. Their donations will be just lost, with this "merge".

I am not complaining that I am losing something that I did not contributed to, I am complaining to the fact that the game will change it's course with this so-called merge, by ditching the donations made during these 16 years.

I don't know about you, but I am curious how easy would it be to rebuild the mines we used to have, just with donations from the players that donated in a few years, versus donations from 12-15 years, but now are gone.

This concern could be addressed by reducing the donation amount for each level of island donation. Since game developers are not among the players, there is always something missing

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From what I've read (and actually also I am a little bit nervous about this), the major problem is that this is NOT seen as an actual merge.

From how this change was presented, this is more like a "reset and start from scratch", NOT a merge.

Not saying good or bad or leaning in any direction there, just wanted to point out: that is, however, one of the main points of feedback from previous merges being taken into consideration, where a lot of players complained about why we did NOT merge onto completely new servers.

As I said: I am not against of merging into completely new servers, but I do not like the idea of throwing away years and years of world development.

With this merge, you say: ok, go ahead and use your donations score to increase your mines. But are you taking into considerations that many many players that donated are no longer part of our current worlds? Bilions and bilions of resources that are now part of our game will just be lost. WHY?

This won't be just a simple merge, it will be a contest of how fast are the players to occupy islands with high donations score. And this is NOT fair for every player. Maybe I catch spots on islands with players that have high donations score, maybe I do not. But this was NOT the intent of this game. This was a game of continuous development, not a reset and rewind, like Travian was.

OK, go ahead and throw us into completely new servers, but do NOT throw away the worlds progress. It will be a HUGE mistake and it will completely change the purpose of this game.

Whoever wants to start on completely new server just go ahead and create an account on new server, there are plenty. But don't throw the entire player base into what 10-20 players want.

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The main argument last time was that everybody would have appreciated if everybody would have had the same basic chances.

And no, that was not 10-20 players, that was the majority of the community complaining about how everybody had this and that advantage depending on what target server they end up on, where they came from and how unbelievably unfair it was that the Alphas weren't merged at all.

No, that was not a small part of the community, that was the overwhelming feedback back then.

So this time everybody will have the same target server circumstances to work with.

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I think the people complaining now are not complaining about having new worlds, as they are complaining about mines starting at level 1.

Of course it was not fair when a few servers where not merged and most of the servers came to these servers, players that were already on those servers had advantages.

But how about on these new worlds the mines don't start from level 1 and start from a bigger number let's say level 30? Because as other said there were thousands of players that don't play anymore that donated hundreds of millions on all these old worlds, the players left won't compensate for these lost donations, and players that are currently playing on high mines will have big disadvantages. Don't forget that after buildings levels game update some buildings needs milliards for the last levels, which is impossible to achieve in our lives even with high mines.

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From what I've read (and actually also I am a little bit nervous about this), the major problem is that this is NOT seen as an actual merge.

From how this change was presented, this is more like a "reset and start from scratch", NOT a merge.

Not saying good or bad or leaning in any direction there, just wanted to point out: that is, however, one of the main points of feedback from previous merges being taken into consideration, where a lot of players complained about why we did NOT merge onto completely new servers.

As I said: I am not against of merging into completely new servers, but I do not like the idea of throwing away years and years of world development.

With this merge, you say: ok, go ahead and use your donations score to increase your mines. But are you taking into considerations that many many players that donated are no longer part of our current worlds? Bilions and bilions of resources that are now part of our game will just be lost. WHY?

This won't be just a simple merge, it will be a contest of how fast are the players to occupy islands with high donations score. And this is NOT fair for every player. Maybe I catch spots on islands with players that have high donations score, maybe I do not. But this was NOT the intent of this game. This was a game of continuous development, not a reset and rewind, like Travian was.

OK, go ahead and throw us into completely new servers, but do NOT throw away the worlds progress. It will be a HUGE mistake and it will completely change the purpose of this game.

Whoever wants to start on completely new server just go ahead and create an account on new server, there are plenty. But don't throw the entire player base into what 10-20 players want.

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The main argument last time was that everybody would have appreciated if everybody would have had the same basic chances.

And no, that was not 10-20 players, that was the majority of the community complaining about how everybody had this and that advantage depending on what target server they end up on, where they came from and how unbelievably unfair it was that the Alphas weren't merged at all.

No, that was not a small part of the community, that was the overwhelming feedback back then.

So this time everybody will have the same target server circumstances to work with.

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I think the people complaining now are not complaining about having new worlds, as they are complaining about mines starting at level 1.

Of course it was not fair when a few servers where not merged and most of the servers came to these servers, players that were already on those servers had advantages.

But how about on these new worlds the mines don't start from level 1 and start from a bigger number let's say level 30? Because as other said there were thousands of players that don't play anymore that donated hundreds of millions on all these old worlds, the players left won't compensate for these lost donations, and players that are currently playing on high mines will have big disadvantages. Don't forget that after buildings levels game update some buildings needs milliards for the last levels, which is impossible to achieve in our lives even with high mines.

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while I agree that there will be donations missing from missing players, I think we can address that by making sure we all cluster on the new servers.

That said, my concern is TIME. it takes time to level a mill/mine.

A couple of merges back, they had mills/mines have reduced building times following the merge for awhile. And I think it would be appropriate to do that again for this set of merges.

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But how about on these new worlds the mines don't start from level 1 and start from a bigger number let's say level 30?

How about people just use their donations they carry along with them?

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There is no change for the game itself or the rules planned. That means the current rules stay valid.

That part I expect. I'm thinking more along the lines of, if someone has more than 22 accounts and chooses which 22 to move, if the game automatically moves them onto a server will the player get in trouble for having too may accounts?

I'm hoping that people in this situation can choose to not log into those extra and the game won't connect them to the player, so the extras can just graveyard without incident. But clarification would be nice.

I think this is a fair question.

Will players who are voluntarily attempting to follow the rules - now - be penalized for dropping all excess accounts, regardless of how many they drop?

And I'd like to ask a follow-up to that as well: If a player had multiple accounts, but they decide to only move 1 account to a new target server, what happens to the other accounts? For example, would a .de player be able to move an account to .en ? would they need to wait 30 days, 7 days, or could they do so immediately? etc. Basically just trying to figure out the technical side of how merged accounts fit into the normal ghosting rules.

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Will players who are voluntarily attempting to follow the rules - now - be penalized for dropping all excess accounts, regardless of how many they drop?

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And I'd like to ask a follow-up to that as well: If a player had multiple accounts, but they decide to only move 1 account to a new target server, what happens to the other accounts? For example, would a .de player be able to move an account to .en ?

Within the soft merge it is only possible to transfer to a pre-defined set of target servers.

For bigger communities this will be 4 newly created servers, for smaller communities it will be 2. Transferring inbetween communities is NOT possible during the soft merge itself.

I recomment reading the FAQ for further details.

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Will players who are voluntarily attempting to follow the rules - now - be penalized for dropping all excess accounts, regardless of how many they drop?

Merges Ikariam 2024

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And I'd like to ask a follow-up to that as well: If a player had multiple accounts, but they decide to only move 1 account to a new target server, what happens to the other accounts? For example, would a .de player be able to move an account to .en ?

Within the soft merge it is only possible to transfer to a pre-defined set of target servers.

For bigger communities this will be 4 newly created servers, for smaller communities it will be 2. Transferring inbetween communities is NOT possible during the soft merge itself.

I recomment reading the FAQ for further details.

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What happens if I don’t log into the game during the migration period?

At the start of the server merge, all accounts will be placed in vacation mode. If you do not move by the end of the merges, you will be transferred automatically. Inactive accounts will be moved to Asphodel.

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If so, I think that mostly clarifies. The question I have is: if the account isn't inactive, but on the other hand, it is account #23. will it be auto-added to one of the 2 target server options (and create a rule violation for the player)? or just sit in limbo - not being "able" to be added, until it ghosts out to Asphrodel?

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Will players who are voluntarily attempting to follow the rules - now - be penalized for dropping all excess accounts, regardless of how many they drop?

Merges Ikariam 2024

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And I'd like to ask a follow-up to that as well: If a player had multiple accounts, but they decide to only move 1 account to a new target server, what happens to the other accounts? For example, would a .de player be able to move an account to .en ?

Within the soft merge it is only possible to transfer to a pre-defined set of target servers.

For bigger communities this will be 4 newly created servers, for smaller communities it will be 2. Transferring inbetween communities is NOT possible during the soft merge itself.

I recomment reading the FAQ for further details.

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Are you referring to:

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What happens if I don’t log into the game during the migration period?

At the start of the server merge, all accounts will be placed in vacation mode. If you do not move by the end of the merges, you will be transferred automatically. Inactive accounts will be moved to Asphodel.

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If so, I think that mostly clarifies. The question I have is: if the account isn't inactive, but on the other hand, it is account #23. will it be auto-added to one of the 2 target server options (and create a rule violation for the player)? or just sit in limbo - not being "able" to be added, until it ghosts out to Asphrodel?

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I was referring to:

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There will also not be a change in the rules to allow for more than 10 additional accounts per server. Ultimately, you will have to make a decision then. The rules remain as they are: you can have up to 11 accounts per server and all of them have to have IP sharing entered in the game using the corresponding function. Anything else will remain a bannable offense and lead to sanctions.

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There will also not be a change in the rules to allow for more than 10 additional accounts per server. Ultimately, you will have to make a decision then. The rules remain as they are: you can have up to 11 accounts per server and all of them have to have IP sharing entered in the game using the corresponding function. Anything else will remain a bannable offense and lead to sanctions.

Ok, so "you will have to make a decision then", suggests that accounts will not be "auto-added" to a server, even if there are more than 22 assigned to a particular email?

It is interesting with the massive increase in scaling to building levels and late game costs, we've decided to roll back 10+ years of donations on island development that was contributed from almost entirely players that no longer exist.

Even the rank 1 donator on my server would not be able to level an island to the same level as the resources are today on just one of my islands. We're talking over 1 billion wood.

Some of us are on 12+ islands that could not feasibly be leveled or replaced in many many years of donations.

I do think it will be nice to have the modern miracle layout, and more players condensed but it is rough having the world reset.

Past mergers were moved to worlds (like alpha and beta) that already were developed for years before. There are plenty islands today with level 30+ resources that are completely vacant.

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There will also not be a change in the rules to allow for more than 10 additional accounts per server. Ultimately, you will have to make a decision then. The rules remain as they are: you can have up to 11 accounts per server and all of them have to have IP sharing entered in the game using the corresponding function. Anything else will remain a bannable offense and lead to sanctions.

Ok, so "you will have to make a decision then", suggests that accounts will not be "auto-added" to a server, even if there are more than 22 assigned to a particular email?

Realistically, if you have more than 22 for a 2 server merge or 44 for a 4 server merge, you need to start GYing some of them now. If they are inactive, they will go to the GY when the merge starts.

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But how about on these new worlds the mines don't start from level 1 and start from a bigger number let's say level 30?

How about people just use their donations they carry along with them?

That's of course 1 thing to do. But considering at least 80% of the donations in Alpha and Beta are gone, it will take years to have the same mills levels again.

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But how about on these new worlds the mines don't start from level 1 and start from a bigger number let's say level 30?

How about people just use their donations they carry along with them?

That's of course 1 thing to do. But considering at least 80% of the donations in Alpha and Beta are gone, it will take years to have the same mills levels again.

Well, then start donating instead of whining.

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If they are inactive, they will go to the GY when the merge starts.

What's the source on this?

The news announcement, to my understanding, does not entirely differentiate between active and inactive accounts. It states that "all" accounts are placed in vacation mode at the start of the merge (which traditionally would include inactive accounts, as the term used is all) and that any accounts not moved manually by the person during the merge period are automatically moved by the system.

It does state that inactives are moved to the graveyard, but has there been a statement that they will immediately do so at the start of the merge period, or is this clause added with the ideology that accounts resume their current inactivity (and thus, graveyarding) process. Both options mean that inactives are not classed into the bracket of "all accounts".

This is interesting due to the options it innately gives in changing communities, if the region you wanted to go to was to merge after the start of your current community merge. All you would have to do is ensure you don't login a week prior to your own community merge, and then you go from Asphodel to one existing server in another community and partake in the softmerge there.

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If they are inactive, they will go to the GY when the merge starts.

What's the source on this?

The news announcement, to my understanding, does not entirely differentiate between active and inactive accounts. It states that "all" accounts are placed in vacation mode at the start of the merge (which traditionally would include inactive accounts, as the term used is all) and that any accounts not moved manually by the person during the merge period are automatically moved by the system.

It does state that inactives are moved to the graveyard, but has there been a statement that they will immediately do so at the start of the merge period, or is this clause added with the ideology that accounts resume their current inactivity (and thus, graveyarding) process. Both options mean that inactives are not classed into the bracket of "all accounts".

This is interesting due to the options it innately gives in changing communities, if the region you wanted to go to was to merge after the start of your current community merge. All you would have to do is ensure you don't login a week prior to your own community merge, and then you go from Asphodel to one existing server in another community and partake in the softmerge there.

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What happens if I don’t log into the game during the migration period?

At the start of the server merge, all accounts will be placed in vacation mode. If you do not move by the end of the merges, you will be transferred automatically. Inactive accounts will be moved to Asphodel.

War Server Merge - Info thread

You know, it doesn't specify. Maybe it's at the end of the merge, either way, it gives you plenty of time to go inactive and go to Asphodel. You can then GY your account to another region and continue playing.

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What happens if I don’t log into the game during the migration period?

At the start of the server merge, all accounts will be placed in vacation mode. If you do not move by the end of the merges, you will be transferred automatically. Inactive accounts will be moved to Asphodel.

War Server Merge - Info thread

This does not provide any additional information per my question.

The announcement claims that all accounts will be placed in vacation mode.

The way the game currently operates, initiating vacation mode would also reset the inactivity timer (which without queued premium options is 7 days to fall inactive, and additional 30 days to enter Asphodel, if you have an established account) and that way there would be no inactives to begin with.

There is nothing on the statement that clarifies inactive accounts to immediately be moved into Asphodel.

You guys are talking like you all be alone on islands. You all are getting relocations. Orgnise with your alliance and you could have 17 towns on island. Which could be 3-4 or even 17 players with donations.

Yea, maybe some islands will not be max level but still if all of you donated on old servers you should be able to make good islands without problems. If you did not donate erlier than it is your mistake not GFs...

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Ok, so "you will have to make a decision then", suggests that accounts will not be "auto-added" to a server, even if there are more than 22 assigned to a particular email?

That means exactly what it said there.

11 accounts per server. Not more.

Which means in smaller communities you will be able to keep a max of 22 (11 per server), all connected via IP sharing function.

In bigger communities 44.

Anything more will make you lose all of them, because of multi accounting.

Who the hell realistically plays (fairly and rule-abidingly) more than 1-3 accounts anyway?

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That's of course 1 thing to do. But considering at least 80% of the donations in Alpha and Beta are gone, it will take years to have the same mills levels again.

Again, just donate then.

Those donations are carried over with you.

Yes, there's going to be a bit of loss and a bit of time until levels are higher again.

In exchange for that you get more active servers. Merging never comes without compromise.