Server Merge Additional Questions

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Why hasn't there been an in-game announcement from GameForge about the merge? Very few people from inside the game check out the board, especially ever since the old board went away. There are a lot of people in the older worlds that have been playing Ikariam for over 12 years and have never done a merge before, and have never started another account on a newer server. There should at least be a mass in-game announcement to let everyone know. Possibly even send an email to everyone that has accounts on v-mode.

Ya they probably should have sent out a Email or game message as soon as they posted it on the board, this is huge new.. HUGE.

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This merge seems like a prank... They should start the islands at level 10 or level 20 mines/mills or give significant level time reduction.

It will take over a year of time leveling to even get to the same sawmill levels(50+) I have currently on Alpha/Beta (US). To even produce enough wine to keep my population from leaving is over a week of leveling assuming I am online to level the vineyard immediately after it upgrades, not including supplying wine to other towns.

Real excited to hardly play the game for 6 months trying to get level 45 townhalls happy again on new islands...

The Pangaia servers use the EN subdomain so I will presume all of those servers will be merged too under the EN umbrella?

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I dug up an old post. Here's what Festival of Worlds does.

• 1000 satisfaction in all towns.
• +2% speed for merchant ships
• Expansion time for resource mines amounts to a max. of 12 hours.

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This 1000 satisfation is a joke, compared to the 6000+ citizens towns.

I assume that we will lose all the CTs, wine income will also be a joke if starting from L1, so to keep up the population in the first days will be close to impossible.

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Yeah, I know for older players it's problematic. What's your build? All wine towns?

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No, I am on a very old server, with cities across all resources. I only have 3 wine towns because this is enough for every towns, 6 on sulphur with forge, 1 crystal just for fun and Poseidon and the rest are on marble.

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Same same.. be nice if we could get a 15min head start given we're gonna spawn in on different wonder layouts.. meaning we're gonna have more moving to do then most.. if you already got a nice spot and are on a new server and get there while there is room.. you're already set.

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12 hours make no sense
Just let us have comfortable server merge
This is third time server merge...

Ya really they should just make the mill upgrade times like 60 seconds.. they're gonna have a LONG way to go to catch up to what they are on other servers.

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This merge seems like a prank... They should start the islands at level 10 or level 20 mines/mills or give significant level time reduction.

It will take over a year of time leveling to even get to the same sawmill levels(50+) I have currently on Alpha/Beta (US). To even produce enough wine to keep my population from leaving is over a week of leveling assuming I am online to level the vineyard immediately after it upgrades, not including supplying wine to other towns.

Real excited to hardly play the game for 6 months trying to get level 45 townhalls happy again on new islands...

The Pangaia servers use the EN subdomain so I will presume all of those servers will be merged too under the EN umbrella?

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I dug up an old post. Here's what Festival of Worlds does.

• 1000 satisfaction in all towns.
• +2% speed for merchant ships
• Expansion time for resource mines amounts to a max. of 12 hours.

Festival of Worlds Bonuses

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This 1000 satisfation is a joke, compared to the 6000+ citizens towns.

I assume that we will lose all the CTs, wine income will also be a joke if starting from L1, so to keep up the population in the first days will be close to impossible.

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Plan accordingly now, your resources will carry over. Have at least a million wine in each town and you will be fine.

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Same same.. be nice if we could get a 15min head start given we're gonna spawn in on different wonder layouts.. meaning we're gonna have more moving to do then most.. if you already got a nice spot and are on a new server and get there while there is room.. you're already set.

Lol, no.

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12 hours make no sense
Just let us have comfortable server merge
This is third time server merge...

Ya really they should just make the mill upgrade times like 60 seconds.. they're gonna have a LONG way to go to catch up to what they are on other servers.

Yeah. I can't really think of any very convincing argument why the mills need to take a considerable amount of time.

As long as the festival is not long enough to allow for a graveyard reroll, this only accounts for the donations currently at hand that are spent over time anyway.

The waiting period regarding those donations could be entirely skipped.

There is a point to be made if we consider the graveyard, but then just make the donations instant for like a week. It's not enough time to graveyard loop.

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Same same.. be nice if we could get a 15min head start given we're gonna spawn in on different wonder layouts.. meaning we're gonna have more moving to do then most.. if you already got a nice spot and are on a new server and get there while there is room.. you're already set.

Lol, no.

what server are you on new or old? and exactly how many people do you think can flood in on 15 min head start?
I don't think it's unreasonable.

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Same same.. be nice if we could get a 15min head start given we're gonna spawn in on different wonder layouts.. meaning we're gonna have more moving to do then most.. if you already got a nice spot and are on a new server and get there while there is room.. you're already set.

Lol, no.

what server are you on new or old? and exactly how many people do you think can flood in on 15 min head start?
I don't think it's unreasonable.

Sure it is unreasonable.

Legacy layout players are just as able to plan their moves as the new layout players.

badidol, lagu , Pinky you can always pull out the "we listened to our players" and cancel this mess and unwanted merge, to make people blush at seeing that ikariam cares for their opinion

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you can always pull out the "we listened to our players" and cancel this mess and unwanted merge, to make people blush at seeing that ikariam cares for their opinion

You have exact statistics about how many players do not want the merge? Or you base it only on your and some other personal opinion?

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you can always pull out the "we listened to our players" and cancel this mess and unwanted merge, to make people blush at seeing that ikariam cares for their opinion

You have exact statistics about how many players do not want the merge? Or you base it only on your and some other personal opinion?

Just make resource mine upgrade shorter

Rare Draxo take that actually makes sense.

Give credit where it's due

The discourse around the merge is curious.

Players have been asking for the merge of regular servers for a long time, but I guess we can forget all about that.

In conclusion; some people are for it, some are against it.

I think the merge overall is a positive thing, but some things regarding it could be done better.

I do think the announcement to the playerbase should be sooner in-game, for one.

Yes, it will come, but the delay is rather unnecessary imo.

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you can always pull out the "we listened to our players" and cancel this mess and unwanted merge, to make people blush at seeing that ikariam cares for their opinion

You have exact statistics about how many players do not want the merge? Or you base it only on your and some other personal opinion?

check the discord and see how many dislike it.

also you can show statistics about how many asked for this merge if you want to point fingers, it goes both ways

and also maybe the first 4 pages of this post in case you missed them

you always have nothing of value to say draxo

and to also twist some of your words against you: maybe i could have had some statistics if the team created some poll about asking if we want this merge

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check the discord and see how many dislike it.

also you can show statistics about how many asked for this merge if you want to point fingers, it goes both ways

and also maybe the first 4 pages of this post in case you missed them

you always have nothing of value to say draxo

There are some issues with this justification.

First of all, if we bring up some dislike reactions on discord (as you posted there) - with that logic, the newest community server is more disliked than the merge.

This would not strengthen your point.

Secondly, we do have to consider the loud minority.

People that are content don't rush out the woods to say it, while unhappy portion certainly does.

Last but not least, it is not incorrect to say that the playerbase interacting with the forum or the discord is very much the minority.

No things said there, positive or negative, can be taken as the "voice of the people".

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you always have nothing of value to say draxo

I love you too, mate!

Ok, you got me - I checked this thread and guess what I saw: probably 10 unique accounts complaining about the merge as such. From what I remember when checked the game last time we have a 'bit' more players. Calling 10 or 15 players as a majority of a game with a base of thousands of players would be a bit silly, wouldn't it?

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check the discord and see how many dislike it.

also you can show statistics about how many asked for this merge if you want to point fingers, it goes both ways

and also maybe the first 4 pages of this post in case you missed them

you always have nothing of value to say draxo

There are some issues with this justification.

First of all, if we bring up some dislike reactions on discord (as you posted there) - with that logic, the newest community server is more disliked than the merge.

This would not strengthen your point.

Secondly, we do have to consider the loud minority.

People that are content don't rush out the woods to say it, while unhappy portion certainly does.

Last but not least, it is not incorrect to say that the playerbase interacting with the forum or the discord is very much the minority.

No things said there, positive or negative, can be taken as the "voice of the people".

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so if the new servers are more disliked than the merge then the merge must be very well looked after because the people only sent 1/3 of the reaction compared to a new server even tho in both cases they are looked with disgust; it does strenghten my point for being the only statistics we have; create a poll on all live servers if you want to see more concrete evidence, but of course gf doesn't care about player's opinions

secondly, why do you call it the loud minority? because most player base doesn't use discord and forum?

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you always have nothing of value to say draxo

I love you too, mate!

Ok, you got me - I checked this thread and guess what I saw: probably 10 unique accounts complaining about the merge as such. From what I remember when checked the game last time we have a 'bit' more players. Calling 10 or 15 players as a majority of a game with a base of thousands of players would be a bit silly, wouldn't it?

very silly, i can only think of a thing sillier, like not creating a poll to actually see the real feedback, how about do that ?

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check the discord and see how many dislike it.

also you can show statistics about how many asked for this merge if you want to point fingers, it goes both ways

and also maybe the first 4 pages of this post in case you missed them

you always have nothing of value to say draxo

There are some issues with this justification.

First of all, if we bring up some dislike reactions on discord (as you posted there) - with that logic, the newest community server is more disliked than the merge.

This would not strengthen your point.

Secondly, we do have to consider the loud minority.

People that are content don't rush out the woods to say it, while unhappy portion certainly does.

Last but not least, it is not incorrect to say that the playerbase interacting with the forum or the discord is very much the minority.

No things said there, positive or negative, can be taken as the "voice of the people".

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so if the new servers are more disliked than the merge then the merge must be very well looked after because the people only sent 1/3 of the reaction compared to a new server even tho in both cases they are looked with disgust; it does strenghten my point for being the only statistics we have; create a poll on all live servers if you want to see more concrete evidence, but of course gf doesn't care about player's opinions

secondly, why do you call it the loud minority? because most player base doesn't use discord and forum?

very silly, i can only think of a thing sillier, like not creating a poll to actually see the real feedback, how about do that ?

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So, less dislike emojis means further disgust?

You gotta jump some hoops to get to this conclusion.

I call it the loud minority because it is a minority, and it is loud.

For an actual poll held in-game, you have my full support.

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check the discord and see how many dislike it.

also you can show statistics about how many asked for this merge if you want to point fingers, it goes both ways

and also maybe the first 4 pages of this post in case you missed them

you always have nothing of value to say draxo

There are some issues with this justification.

First of all, if we bring up some dislike reactions on discord (as you posted there) - with that logic, the newest community server is more disliked than the merge.

This would not strengthen your point.

Secondly, we do have to consider the loud minority.

People that are content don't rush out the woods to say it, while unhappy portion certainly does.

Last but not least, it is not incorrect to say that the playerbase interacting with the forum or the discord is very much the minority.

No things said there, positive or negative, can be taken as the "voice of the people".

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so if the new servers are more disliked than the merge then the merge must be very well looked after because the people only sent 1/3 of the reaction compared to a new server even tho in both cases they are looked with disgust; it does strenghten my point for being the only statistics we have; create a poll on all live servers if you want to see more concrete evidence, but of course gf doesn't care about player's opinions

secondly, why do you call it the loud minority? because most player base doesn't use discord and forum?

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you always have nothing of value to say draxo

I love you too, mate!

Ok, you got me - I checked this thread and guess what I saw: probably 10 unique accounts complaining about the merge as such. From what I remember when checked the game last time we have a 'bit' more players. Calling 10 or 15 players as a majority of a game with a base of thousands of players would be a bit silly, wouldn't it?

very silly, i can only think of a thing sillier, like not creating a poll to actually see the real feedback, how about do that ?

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True, most player base doesn't use discord and forum
Especially, there is no Chinese forum here.
How about making Chinese announcement?

Are donations from an island that I moved my cities from and now I have no cities on that island going to be added as donation tokens after the merge?

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Edit : seems we will get Hydra & Sirens update followed after some time by a server merger. Might become confusing

It seems to me that it will be the opposite.

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you can always pull out the "we listened to our players" and cancel this mess and unwanted merge, to make people blush at seeing that ikariam cares for their opinion

You have exact statistics about how many players do not want the merge? Or you base it only on your and some other personal opinion?

I have yet to hear from anyone in Alpha that is excited about the merge. A lot of players have enjoyed the gameplay in Alpha, and like how the miracle layout is. It makes for more strategy in the game.

Once GF introduced mergers it created a lot of problems with multi-accounts. Yes, IP sharing is approved now, but a lot of people have taken full advantage of it, and now there are clusters of island sets locked with multis that are producing capture points. With the new merge it will just get even worse.

Then you have the issue with mega alliances being formed with massive military banks. The fighters in these mega alliances can be relentless and will make a lot of players that are used to a quieter game play quit.

These are some of the reasons people are not happy with the merge.

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Edit : seems we will get Hydra & Sirens update followed after some time by a server merger. Might become confusing

It seems to me that it will be the opposite.

As far as I read the hydra update could be launched any time now. The merge is in 2 weeks. MIght be the opposite, what have you read or heard ?Can you explain ?

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As far as I read the hydra update could be launched any time now. The merge is in 2 weeks. MIght be the opposite, what have you read or heard ?Can you explain ?

Does it make sense to say "we're carrying you now" after such an event (monsters)?